Anybody have a 35mm clip from Court Martial?
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Fair enough. Having three-quarters of the top line vessels in one place in various stages of "complete" still seems odd.
That's really the main reason I'm looking at this. If we can really show that the one number is 1864 versus 1664, then we know that it's not a listing of Starships/Connies.
To me, it would have made sense that, other factors ignored, any ships whose numbers don't start with 17 are not ships like the Enterprise. (By "like the Enterprise", I mean ships a casual fan would think are the same, even if there might be small external or internal differences). However. the 1017 of the Constellation seems to contradict that, too.
I watched Star Trek II and Star Trek III recently, and the question came to me, Is the Grissom a "Star Ship" technically? The Reliant must be since it is basically a match for the Enterprise in combat (all things considered), but even though it has a Star Fleet crew, would the Grissom be to much of a small light "scout" to qualify?
The reason I ask this question is that the Court Martial chart says "Star Ship status". If we can show something is not a Star Ship, then we know it would not be on the chart, but if something is a Star Ship, then it cold be on the chart.
A perfect opportunity for the Romulans, Klingons, et. al. to venture into Federation space.
I could see on the chart:
1. A higher set of serial numbers for the older 1600 series; makes sense that only the newest of the older class of Star Ship are still in service. These may not be in the front line of exploration, more like serving in base defense and transport of personnel to and from the Federation core to the outer communities like starbases and colonies. Normally used for "milk runs". The 1600's are getting old and frail with most of their resources going to keeping its engines running, and less to its weapons and defenses.
2. A mid-level serial number range for the 1800 series Star Ships. This gives the appearance of more abundant numbers than the 1700 series. I like this to a lighter class Star Ship (like the Reliant "Light Cruiser") used to come in behind the front line 1700 series to do the detail scientific investigations and support the heavies in front lines in time of war. The 1800's are well equipped with top scientific laboratories and have decent engines and an array of weapons and defenses, but lower on the power curve and long range supplies than the 1700's.
3. A low serial number range for the 1700 Star Ships suggests these ships are rarest in the Federation. These are the top of the line, "Heavy Cruisers" used for exploring and dealing with new threats from the unknown and expanding the Federation. Most powerful power systems, warp engines, weapons and defenses along with top scientific laboratories and supplies for five years.
I conclude that based on Starbase 11's Status Chart, these are the Earth crewed ships based out of Starbase 11 (it must be a very large starbase, sort of like Pearl Harbor for the US Navy). Five 1700 Class Star Ships and two or three each 1600 and 1800 Class Star Ships.
1. A higher set of serial numbers for the older 1600 series; makes sense that only the newest of the older class of Star Ship are still in service. These may not be in the front line of exploration, more like serving in base defense and transport of personnel to and from the Federation core to the outer communities like starbases and colonies. Normally used for "milk runs". The 1600's are getting old and frail with most of their resources going to keeping its engines running, and less to its weapons and defenses.
2. A mid-level serial number range for the 1800 series Star Ships. This gives the appearance of more abundant numbers than the 1700 series. I like this to a lighter class Star Ship (like the Reliant "Light Cruiser") used to come in behind the front line 1700 series to do the detail scientific investigations and support the heavies in front lines in time of war. The 1800's are well equipped with top scientific laboratories and have decent engines and an array of weapons and defenses, but lower on the power curve and long range supplies than the 1700's.
3. A low serial number range for the 1700 Star Ships suggests these ships are rarest in the Federation. These are the top of the line, "Heavy Cruisers" used for exploring and dealing with new threats from the unknown and expanding the Federation. Most powerful power systems, warp engines, weapons and defenses along with top scientific laboratories and supplies for five years.
I conclude that based on Starbase 11's Status Chart, these are the Earth crewed ships based out of Starbase 11 (it must be a very large starbase, sort of like Pearl Harbor for the US Navy). Five 1700 Class Star Ships and two or three each 1600 and 1800 Class Star Ships.
I like your train of thought here, but want to elaborate on something you said. I think that maybe we ought to expect that a base with docks for servicing 10 actual Star Ships, and maybe more docks for lesser civilians vessels and such, should probably be considered a large installation, in order to keep the idea that true Star Ships are not very common.
I like all of that. One thing that strikes me is that commodore seems maybe a little low to be in charge of something that big, with that many ships. But maybe that's just my mind set on Pearl Harbor 1941. It also raises the question of why, if all those ships were there, it was such a big deal to assemble the captains for Kirk's court.
They were supposed to be people that did not know Kirk well, to be unbiased. That may have been hard to find, since Kirk was kind-of-well-known, supposedly. The three other trial board members are in the lounge earlier in the episode, but maybe they had to check how ell each officer knew Kirk.
Again, the list for "% complete" is vague and may not imply they are all in-base at that one time. For the court martial, they found two Star Ship captains; the third judge was "Starfleet Representative" and not an active captain. Looking at the obvious, aside for the Enterprise, there was only two other Star Ships in orbit: the Intrepid and another unnamed ship.
<Edit. This could explain the blue shirt Captain; he could be from a 1800 series Star Ship which are more science based. The gold shirt Captain could be from a 1600 or 1700 series Star Ship.>
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Connie = Constellation
I thought the Connies were Constitution class like the Enterprise.
I just can't remember if Constitution class comes from The Making of Star Trek, or just Franz Joseph. I think it was TMOST, which FJ devoured in his research.
I loved the line from ST:TWOK so much that I use it at times of confusion, but only sparingly.
That would be a small Starfleet indeed!
It's hard for me to see what useful information the chart has for the base commander, then, if some vessels are in port and some aren't. It seems like a less-than-"complete" ship would be at its base.
I assume that's from the revised version?
No, only that Stone needed to resort to putting Starfleet Representative on the court, and not another Star Ship Captain. I know it is a big assumption, but if another ship Captain was available, then I would expect him/her to be on the court.
Perhaps Starfleet demanded a representative be present because of the supposedly unprecedented nature of prosecuting a Star Ship Captain. Most of the time we see a trial board of three and this one has four. Did Khan/McGiver's hearing have four members?
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