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Any Trek authors pitched a post Romulus story to Pocketbooks yet?

The only member of the big seven we know is dead in the 24th century is Kirk, no matter how unlikely it is that they all made it that far. I'm half expecting Rand to show up one of these days.
 
The only member of the big seven we know is dead in the 24th century is Kirk, no matter how unlikely it is that they all made it that far. I'm half expecting Rand to show up one of these days.

Actually, you're right: Uhura's head of intelligence (an idea on par with Superspy Trip, IMO), McCoy was in one of the post-Destiny books (despite having died in Crucible and a TNG comic) and Scotty's running S.C.E (but he's 70 years younger than his peers, so it's a cheat).

Even Kirk's alive in Shatner's nutty corner of Treklit.

Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels. Dr. Piper died in a Lost Years book. A bajillion redshirts have probably snuffed it in 40 years of novels.

There are some big gaps here.
 
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Admiral Rand and her new book: From Yeoman to Admiral in Three Easy Steps.


True story: years ago, Ordover and I pitched a "Charlie's Angels" type novel in which Uhura, Rand, and Nurse Chapel teamed up to save the universe.

Perhaps wisely, Paramount vetoed the idea!
 
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Admiral Rand and her new book: From Yeoman to Admiral in Three Easy Steps.


True story: years ago, Ordover and I pitched a "Charlie's Angels" type novel in which Uhura, Rand, and Nurse Chapel teamed up to save the universe.

Perhaps wisely, Paramount vetoed the idea!

The difference between fan fiction and pro fiction was only that pro writers get paid and horrible ideas get vetoed by editors, right? :p ;) ;)
 
Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels.
In the main novelverse,Chekov is established to still be alive post-dominion war in the Vulcan's Soul trilogy. The latest we've seen Sulu is in 2320 (although there is a DS9 book with an Admiral that is strongly implied to be Sulu0.
 
Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels. Dr. Piper died in a Lost Years book. A bajillion redshirts have probably snuffed it in 40 years of novels.

Chekov is alive as of 2377 according to Vulcan's Soul. There is a character named "George" strongly implied to be Sulu in Armageddon Sky, set in 2372. Sulu isn't mentioned by Scotty when he's thinking of old crewmates to get in touch with in The Future Begins, though.
 
The only member of the big seven we know is dead in the 24th century is Kirk, no matter how unlikely it is that they all made it that far. I'm half expecting Rand to show up one of these days.

Actually, you're right: Uhura's head of intelligence (an idea on par with Superspy Trip, IMO), McCoy was in one of the post-Destiny books (despite having died in Crucible and a TNG comic) and Scotty's running S.C.E (but he's 70 years younger than his peers, so it's a cheat).

Even Kirk's alive in Shatner's nutty corner of Treklit.

Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels. Dr. Piper died in a Lost Years book. A bajillion redshirts have probably snuffed it in 40 years of novels.

There are some big gaps here.
They should do a Crisis on Infinite Kirks story were PrimeKirk, NuKirk, ShatKirk, MirrorKirk and any other Kirk you can think of team up to save the Multi-Univerese.

You can thank me later when this idea gets vetoed because I mentioned it here. :p
 
Nimoy's character was the Spock we grew up with. Anything else is denial or deliberate misinterpretation.

It's that simple.
Put me down for deliberate misinterpretation, then.

Me too.

Spock knew the year he came from, knew the amount of years he went back in time and yet didn't realize he was still a Lieutenant serving on the Enterprise under Chris Pike during the late 2250's?

And Spock Prime in the new film didn't seem mentally feeble as he was able to carry the mission to destroy the Hobus star and pull the equation for 'transwarp beaming' from memory.
 
Wait, we get to vote?

I vote that WNMHGB is the true Prime Universe and TOS is an alternate based on the James R Kirk line.
 
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Admiral Rand and her new book: From Yeoman to Admiral in Three Easy Steps.


True story: years ago, Ordover and I pitched a "Charlie's Angels" type novel in which Uhura, Rand, and Nurse Chapel teamed up to save the universe.

Perhaps wisely, Paramount vetoed the idea!

The difference between fan fiction and pro fiction was only that pro writers get paid and horrible ideas get vetoed by editors, right? :p ;) ;)

You have no idea how true that is . . . :)
 
Wait, we get to vote?

I vote that WNMHGB is the true Prime Universe and TOS is an alternate based on the James R Kirk line.

Whatever the universe was before Daniels started showing up, waving his arms and complaining to Archer that everything had gone wrong? That's the real universe.

TOS is the future of the past where aliens gave the Nazis disruptor cannons in WWII, and STXI is the future of the past where Kira wore that plaster on her nose and deranged the timeline by briefly interacting with hippies.
 
Spock knew the year he came from, knew the amount of years he went back in time and yet didn't realize he was still a Lieutenant serving on the Enterprise under Chris Pike during the late 2250's?

It's easy to pick out the odd continuity error and claim it as "proof" that the movie's a whole alternate reality, but it's disingenuous, because Trek canon is full of huge continuity errors. Case in point: the first season or two of TNG depicted a Starfleet that was very much a peacetime organization, with Picard repeatedly speaking of combat as something he'd rarely had to face in his career. But then in the fourth season, "The Wounded" came along and told us that the Federation had been at war with Cardassia throughout the first two seasons of TNG!! That's an enormous, glaring contradiction, a profound retcon of the entire geopolitical underpinnings of the TNG universe, and yet I've never heard anyone cite it as evidence that the first two seasons of TNG are in an alternate reality from the rest of TNG. (Although in a sense, they are, since they were produced by different people making different assumptions.)

The bottom line is, any large body of fiction created by a large number of different people is going to have contradictions and continuity errors. But for the most part, we accept the pretense that the body of work represents a cohesive continuity. If every continuity error were "proof" of a separate reality, then we'd have to accept that filmed Star Trek depicts at least several dozen separate universes.

Yes, Spock Prime's confusion about Kirk being captain is a script mistake. But that's all it can be reasonably interpreted to be. The existence of mistakes or deliberate differences in interpretation doesn't make it an incompatible reality, because there are always going to be mistakes and differences, and there always have been.
 
Yes, Spock Prime's confusion about Kirk being captain is a script mistake. But that's all it can be reasonably interpreted to be. The existence of mistakes or deliberate differences in interpretation doesn't make it an incompatible reality, because there are always going to be mistakes and differences, and there always have been.

But it represents a pretty jarring error in a pivotal scene in the movie.

This was a movie that needed to be as vague as possible when dealing with dates but wasn't. If it had used the original stardate system then it wouldn't represent an issue because it would have been vague enough to stand up to this type of scrutiny.

He even remembers Kirks' father living long enough to see him take command but didn't remember when it was?

The movie fell pray to simple math... :lol:
 
Yes, Spock Prime's confusion about Kirk being captain is a script mistake. But that's all it can be reasonably interpreted to be. The existence of mistakes or deliberate differences in interpretation doesn't make it an incompatible reality, because there are always going to be mistakes and differences, and there always have been.

But it represents a pretty jarring error in a pivotal scene in the movie.

This was a movie that needed to be as vague as possible when dealing with dates but wasn't. If it had used the original stardate system then it wouldn't represent an issue because it would have been vague enough to stand up to this type of scrutiny.

He even remembers Kirks' father living long enough to see him take command but didn't remember when it was?

The movie fell pray to simple math... :lol:

Spock mentions the how many years in the future he's from after he finds out Kirk is not the Captain.

Kirk's nearly eaten by the monster when the elder Spock shows up with a torch, scaring away the monster)
SPOCK PRIME: James T. Kirk.
KIRK: Excuse me?
SPOCK PRIME: How did you find me?
KIRK: How do you know my name?
SPOCK PRIME: I have been, and always shall be, your friend.
KIRK: Wha... oh, look... uh, I don't know you.
SPOCK PRIME: I am Spock.
KIRK: Bullshit.
(some time later, they are around a fire)
SPOCK PRIME: It is remarkably pleasing to see you again, old friend. Especially after the events of today.
KIRK: Uh, sir I appreciate what you did for me today, but, but if you were Spock you would know we're not friends at all. You hate me, you marooned me here for mutiny.
SPOCK PRIME: Mutiny?
KIRK: Yes.
SPOCK PRIME: You are not the Captain?
KIRK: No, no. Umm... you're the Captain. Pike was taken hostage.

SPOCK PRIME: By Nero.
KIRK: What do you know about him?
SPOCK PRIME: He is a particularly troubled Romulan. Please, allow me. It will be easier.
(Spock Prime attempts to mind meld with Kirk)
KIRK: Whoah, whoah. What are you doin'?
SPOCK PRIME: Our minds. One and together.
(Spock Prime melds with Kirk)
SPOCK PRIME: One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy.
[Space]

As for what reference point Spock used to calculate that date. hmmm? Pike being in command of the ship? Estimation of Kirk's age? Lucky guess? :shrug:
 
Nimoy's character was the Spock we grew up with. Anything else is denial or deliberate misinterpretation.

It's that simple.
Put me down for deliberate misinterpretation, then.

Me too.

Spock knew the year he came from, knew the amount of years he went back in time and yet didn't realize he was still a Lieutenant serving on the Enterprise under Chris Pike during the late 2250's?

And Spock Prime in the new film didn't seem mentally feeble as he was able to carry the mission to destroy the Hobus star and pull the equation for 'transwarp beaming' from memory.
Spock understood that Nero's arrival in 2233 split the prime universe to create the new alt universe in which he exists. He has no way of knowing for certain that his alternate did not take a different path.
 
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As for what reference point Spock used to calculate that date. hmmm? Pike being in command of the ship? Estimation of Kirk's age? Lucky guess? :shrug:

Well, from the transcript you provide, Spock didn't specify the time interval until he began the meld. So he could've been unsure of the exact date at first, but then gained the knowledge from Kirk's mind in the meld. So I stand corrected; it's not really a mistake at all.
 
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