The only member of the big seven we know is dead in the 24th century is Kirk, no matter how unlikely it is that they all made it that far. I'm half expecting Rand to show up one of these days.
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Admiral Rand and her new book: From Yeoman to Admiral in Three Easy Steps.
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Admiral Rand and her new book: From Yeoman to Admiral in Three Easy Steps.
True story: years ago, Ordover and I pitched a "Charlie's Angels" type novel in which Uhura, Rand, and Nurse Chapel teamed up to save the universe.
Perhaps wisely, Paramount vetoed the idea!
In the main novelverse,Chekov is established to still be alive post-dominion war in the Vulcan's Soul trilogy. The latest we've seen Sulu is in 2320 (although there is a DS9 book with an Admiral that is strongly implied to be Sulu0.Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels.
I don't think even Q could do it. I wonder if Q screws with Picard in parallel universes or if there are parallel Q's too?Until Q comes along and snaps with his fingers.
Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels. Dr. Piper died in a Lost Years book. A bajillion redshirts have probably snuffed it in 40 years of novels.
They should do a Crisis on Infinite Kirks story were PrimeKirk, NuKirk, ShatKirk, MirrorKirk and any other Kirk you can think of team up to save the Multi-Univerese.The only member of the big seven we know is dead in the 24th century is Kirk, no matter how unlikely it is that they all made it that far. I'm half expecting Rand to show up one of these days.
Actually, you're right: Uhura's head of intelligence (an idea on par with Superspy Trip, IMO), McCoy was in one of the post-Destiny books (despite having died in Crucible and a TNG comic) and Scotty's running S.C.E (but he's 70 years younger than his peers, so it's a cheat).
Even Kirk's alive in Shatner's nutty corner of Treklit.
Who's confirmed dead from Kirk's crew? Sulu and Chekov were dead in the 24th century Shatnerverse (IIRC Sulu became Federation president then a best-selling author) but I don't think anything's been said in the other novels. Dr. Piper died in a Lost Years book. A bajillion redshirts have probably snuffed it in 40 years of novels.
There are some big gaps here.
Put me down for deliberate misinterpretation, then.Nimoy's character was the Spock we grew up with. Anything else is denial or deliberate misinterpretation.
It's that simple.
That also means no more Spock stories after 2387.
Yep. Unless they're set in the new universe.
Like mine was. (Sob.)![]()
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Admiral Rand and her new book: From Yeoman to Admiral in Three Easy Steps.
True story: years ago, Ordover and I pitched a "Charlie's Angels" type novel in which Uhura, Rand, and Nurse Chapel teamed up to save the universe.
Perhaps wisely, Paramount vetoed the idea!
The difference between fan fiction and pro fiction was only that pro writers get paid and horrible ideas get vetoed by editors, right?![]()
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Wait, we get to vote?
I vote that WNMHGB is the true Prime Universe and TOS is an alternate based on the James R Kirk line.
Spock knew the year he came from, knew the amount of years he went back in time and yet didn't realize he was still a Lieutenant serving on the Enterprise under Chris Pike during the late 2250's?
Yes, Spock Prime's confusion about Kirk being captain is a script mistake. But that's all it can be reasonably interpreted to be. The existence of mistakes or deliberate differences in interpretation doesn't make it an incompatible reality, because there are always going to be mistakes and differences, and there always have been.
Yes, Spock Prime's confusion about Kirk being captain is a script mistake. But that's all it can be reasonably interpreted to be. The existence of mistakes or deliberate differences in interpretation doesn't make it an incompatible reality, because there are always going to be mistakes and differences, and there always have been.
But it represents a pretty jarring error in a pivotal scene in the movie.
This was a movie that needed to be as vague as possible when dealing with dates but wasn't. If it had used the original stardate system then it wouldn't represent an issue because it would have been vague enough to stand up to this type of scrutiny.
He even remembers Kirks' father living long enough to see him take command but didn't remember when it was?
The movie fell pray to simple math...![]()
Kirk's nearly eaten by the monster when the elder Spock shows up with a torch, scaring away the monster)
SPOCK PRIME: James T. Kirk.
KIRK: Excuse me?
SPOCK PRIME: How did you find me?
KIRK: How do you know my name?
SPOCK PRIME: I have been, and always shall be, your friend.
KIRK: Wha... oh, look... uh, I don't know you.
SPOCK PRIME: I am Spock.
KIRK: Bullshit.
(some time later, they are around a fire)
SPOCK PRIME: It is remarkably pleasing to see you again, old friend. Especially after the events of today.
KIRK: Uh, sir I appreciate what you did for me today, but, but if you were Spock you would know we're not friends at all. You hate me, you marooned me here for mutiny.
SPOCK PRIME: Mutiny?
KIRK: Yes.
SPOCK PRIME: You are not the Captain?
KIRK: No, no. Umm... you're the Captain. Pike was taken hostage.
SPOCK PRIME: By Nero.
KIRK: What do you know about him?
SPOCK PRIME: He is a particularly troubled Romulan. Please, allow me. It will be easier.
(Spock Prime attempts to mind meld with Kirk)
KIRK: Whoah, whoah. What are you doin'?
SPOCK PRIME: Our minds. One and together.
(Spock Prime melds with Kirk)
SPOCK PRIME: One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy.
[Space]
Spock understood that Nero's arrival in 2233 split the prime universe to create the new alt universe in which he exists. He has no way of knowing for certain that his alternate did not take a different path.Put me down for deliberate misinterpretation, then.Nimoy's character was the Spock we grew up with. Anything else is denial or deliberate misinterpretation.
It's that simple.
Me too.
Spock knew the year he came from, knew the amount of years he went back in time and yet didn't realize he was still a Lieutenant serving on the Enterprise under Chris Pike during the late 2250's?
And Spock Prime in the new film didn't seem mentally feeble as he was able to carry the mission to destroy the Hobus star and pull the equation for 'transwarp beaming' from memory.
As for what reference point Spock used to calculate that date. hmmm? Pike being in command of the ship? Estimation of Kirk's age? Lucky guess?![]()
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