Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?

[Neopeius]

There is no generational link between like or dislike of the movie.

He said Axiomatically.. ^_~

Most TOS fans I know disliked the movie. I say TOS fans as in largely exclusively TOS fans. So, for instance, they include:

Myself (Age 35, grew up on the old show, didn't like the newer ones)
My wife (Age 33, grew up on TNG but recently plowed through all of TOS and loves it and recognizes that TNG warn't that great a show despite some great episodes and talent)
My buddy (Age 28--devoured TOS when I introduced him to it, hasn't seen anything else, thought NuTrek was the stupidest thing he ever saw)

I bring up this cross section because I'm vaguely Gen X and the other two are absolutely not. For my buddy, there's no "40 year fog of forgiveness." He got into the show as a *new* show. And immediately thereafter, he watched the movie. And he thought it sucked. Not just mediocre. Sucked.

So, you're right--there is no direct age relation to whether you'll like the movie or not. But, as this forum has shown, I think the more into TOS you are, the less you'll like the movie.

Of course, I can forgive the movie for not being at all TOSsy. I think it was just a lame-ass movie.

 

[Amaris]

There is no generational link between like or dislike of the movie.

He said Axiomatically.. ^_~

Most TOS fans I know disliked the movie. I say TOS fans as in largely exclusively TOS fans. So, for instance, they include:

Myself (Age 35, grew up on the old show, didn't like the newer ones)
My wife (Age 33, grew up on TNG but recently plowed through all of TOS and loves it and recognizes that TNG warn't that great a show despite some great episodes and talent)
My buddy (Age 28--devoured TOS when I introduced him to it, hasn't seen anything else, thought NuTrek was the stupidest thing he ever saw)

I bring up this cross section because I'm vaguely Gen X and the other two are absolutely not. For my buddy, there's no "40 year fog of forgiveness." He got into the show as a *new* show. And immediately thereafter, he watched the movie. And he thought it sucked. Not just mediocre. Sucked.

So, you're right--there is no direct age relation to whether you'll like the movie or not. But, as this forum has shown, I think the more into TOS you are, the less you'll like the movie.

Of course, I can forgive the movie for not being at all TOSsy. I think it was just a lame-ass movie.

I see what you mean, but even that theory isn't really consistent either. I will be 30 on the 17th of March (yay), and have been hinting around that anyone wanting to buy me a gift this year should know I love the Original Series of Star Trek, and it's true. I was born in 1980, and I first watched Star Trek at the age of 4 years old (thanks to my mom being a Trekkie), and instantly fell in love with it.

While I do enjoy DS9, TNG, VOY and ENT (in that order), The Original Series just takes it leaps and bounds beyond. I have watched the movies religiously, and just love the interactions between the characters, the stories, and all the fun and adventure that entails. I know every episode name by rote and can give you a description of each one. I know there are fans who can do even more than that, and I realize the incredible level of loyalty the show inspires. I'm one of those whom it inspires greatly.

What's great is that every time I watch an episode, I catch something I never caught the first time through. Last night I watched "The Trouble with Tribbles" for the umpteenth time, and I never caught the dialogue between Spock and Chekov.

The scene is this (and this is from memory so excuse the errors, please):

Kirk, Spock and Chekov are discussing Sherman's Planet. Kirk asks how close they will be to the Klingon border, and Chekov says "One parsec. So close you could smell them". Spock states, "A scientific impossibility, Mr. Chekov, as odor cannot be transmitted through the vacuum of space". Chekov says, "A little joke, sir". Spock replies, "Very little, Ensign", and I just about died laughing. It was Spock's expression when he delivers that line, it was just perfect, and I damn near peed myself laughing so hard. I had missed that every time I had watched the episode (which must range in the dozens by now), and it was still fresh and fun.

That said, I still love the new movie and can't wait to see what's next.

 

[Neopeius]

That said, I still love the new movie and can't wait to see what's next.

More power to you I would never try to take that away.

I think it's more important that we have common ground--love of a great old show ^_~

 

[Amaris]

That said, I still love the new movie and can't wait to see what's next.

More power to you I would never try to take that away.

I think it's more important that we have common ground--love of a great old show ^_~

The same.
In fact, Warped9 and myself have worked to make sure we can see eye to eye on that, even if not the new movie. We both have a love and respect for the one that started it all. It is nice to add you and hopefully many others to the mix as well.

 

[Warped9]

While I dislike Abrams' movie it doesn't take anything away from TOS. And I personally don't feel threatened no matter how many people may like the movie.

The discussions of pros and cons can be stimulating, though...even if at times you want to tear your hair out.

 

[Amaris]

While I dislike Abrams' movie it doesn't take anything away from TOS. And I personally don't feel threatened no matter how many people may like the movie.

The discussions of pros and cons can be stimulating, though...even if at times you want to tear your hair out.

I have to be careful, my hair is starting to thin up top. I don't want to lose anything I can't replace later!

Speaking of hair, I finally noticed Shatner's toupee line when watching "City on the Edge of Forever" the other night.
At first I thought it was the front of his hair, but I noticed that was too natural to be a toupee. So I start watching closely where they talk to the Guardian. Kirk walks around the Guardian and *bam* right there, on the back of his head, around the top near the crown, you can faintly (well, for my eyes) make out a hairline that shouldn't be there unless his barber was Ray Charles.

 

[T'Bonz]

I liked the film. Was it as good as TOS? No. But that ship has long sailed. It's impossible to make new TOS with the same actors and why not move on?

Remember when TNG premiered? I remember *plenty* of TOS fans bitching and moaning and not wanting to give it a chance. I did, even though Shatner et al were still young enough to have done more Trek, and I'd have preferred them. It took a while, but it was worth it. It wasn't TOS, but it was new Trek.

Same for the other series that followed. Some were better than others. For me, only DS9 came close to the quality of TOS. I recognize that others disagree on this and/or didn't/don't like DS9. That's fine. I don't see a need to name-call or argue incessantly trying to convince them to my point of view, I just enjoy my shows!

The movie was fun. I view it as "alternate-world" Trek. They are Kirk, Spock et al, but alternate versions. As long as I look at it that way, they can do whatever and it doesn't bother me. I don't compare them with the TOS versions, because they're not.

It will be interesting to see where they go. If they don't go where I like, I'll put events into my mental "non-canon" file, where things like Voyager's Threshold, Sybok, Kirk being killed by a bridge and other annoyances go.

 

[Amaris]

I liked the film. Was it as good as TOS? No. But that ship has long sailed. It's impossible to make new TOS with the same actors and why not move on?

Remember when TNG premiered? I remember *plenty* of TOS fans bitching and moaning and not wanting to give it a chance. I did, even though Shatner et al were still young enough to have done more Trek, and I'd have preferred them. It took a while, but it was worth it. It wasn't TOS, but it was new Trek.

Same for the other series that followed. Some were better than others. For me, only DS9 came close to the quality of TOS. I recognize that others disagree on this and/or didn't/don't like DS9. That's fine. I don't see a need to name-call or argue incessantly trying to convince them to my point of view, I just enjoy my shows!

The movie was fun. I view it as "alternate-world" Trek. They are Kirk, Spock et al, but alternate versions. As long as I look at it that way, they can do whatever and it doesn't bother me. I don't compare them with the TOS versions, because they're not.

It will be interesting to see where they go. If they don't go where I like, I'll put events into my mental "non-canon" file, where things like Voyager's Threshold, Sybok, Kirk being killed by a bridge and other annoyances go.

I like your style!

 

[Neopeius]

Speaking of hair, I finally noticed Shatner's toupee line when watching "City on the Edge of Forever" the other night.

It's very noticeable in Arena. Ah well. The things you don't notice on a small black n white

 

[RandyS]

Remember when TNG premiered? I remember *plenty* of TOS fans bitching and moaning and not wanting to give it a chance. I did, even though Shatner et al were still young enough to have done more Trek, and I'd have preferred them. It took a while, but it was worth it. It wasn't TOS, but it was new Trek.

I felt the same.

Ah, 1987.....

I can't believe I actually miss those days.

 

[Gepard]

As far as the generation gap discussion goes, here's my four data points. Take it as you will.

I and three good friends of mine all saw Trek XI within a short period of time and compared notes afterwards. We're all in our mid-to-late 20s and have varying degrees of Trek fannishness. It breaks down like so:

-One friend grew up on TNG, DS9 and VOY, but can't stand anything TOS because of how dated and stupid it looks. He drifted away from an active interest in Trek about the time ENT was canceled. He absolutely hated the new movie, found it boring, stupid and dislikable, and an example of what he's termed the "new movie" style of blockbuster film making that's developed in the last decade-and-a-half.

-Another friend liked TNG growing up and has fond memories of the show, with no strong opinion on TOS either way that I'm aware of, beyond acknowledging it's existence but never getting into it. He thought the film was okay, but had a number of problems with the story (he was annoyed at seeing another Trek story with time travel in it, for example).

-The third friend is a general sci-fi lover, grew up with Trek in some form (I don't know the details in his case, but it's probably a childhood love of TNG as well), and really liked Trek XI. He considered it quite well executed and very enjoyable.

-Then there's me; I grew up on TNG and TOS both, though I preferred TNG as a kid. I grew to like TOS a bit more as I got older and could overlook the plywood sets and '60s attitudes. Of the four of us, I'm the only one nutty enough to post on a Trek board and spend two years anticipating a movie. I disliked it, not quite as much as friend #1, but still quite a bit. I felt disappointed more than anything, as it just didn't entertain me, and did a number of things with the story and characters that were annoying to boot.

So that's two "dislikes," one "tolerate" and one "loves" from a group of 20 year olds who all like Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

For me its: Me, my best friend and his wife (all over 50), his mother (Over 70), his daughter (under 10) and my wife (under 50), who liked it. I also had friends in their 20s an 30s who like it. His wife is the only non fan on the group. The only people I've met who hated it have been here. My best friend and I have discussed its short comings but we still like it. He's a bit more critical than I am.

 

[Gepard]

Clearly, I hang out with negative nellies.