Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?

[Warped9]

You are free to believe that, although I am curious as to what evidence you have to suggest that Spock Prime isn't from the original TOS continuity.

The biggy is the moment he seems surprised that Kirk isn't already in command of the Enterprise at that point in time. This directly contradicts the TOS continuity where Kirk was a Lieutenant at this point and not long out of the Academy.

Okay, I see where you're coming from. Of course, there is the possibility that he could have been mistaken about the era in which he arrived. He may have been unclear regarding the current stardate.

I don't buy that. As soon as Spock sees a much younger Kirk he should damned well have a clearer idea of what's going on. It was sloppy writing just to serve the fact that Abrams wanted to slam everyone together at the beginning where in the original, more credible timeline the crew was of different ages and met at different periods of time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The biggy is the moment he seems surprised that Kirk isn't already in command of the Enterprise at that point in time. This directly contradicts the TOS continuity where Kirk was a Lieutenant at this point and not long out of the Academy.

Okay, I see where you're coming from. Of course, there is the possibility that he could have been mistaken about the era in which he arrived. He may have been unclear regarding the current stardate.

I don't buy that. As soon as Spock sees a much younger Kirk he should damned well have a clearer idea of what's going on. It was sloppy writing just to serve the fact that Abrams wanted to slam everyone together at the beginning where in the original, more credible timeline the crew was of different ages and met at different periods of time.

How much younger/older would Kirk be? Kirk was was about 30 when he took command of the Enterprise. NuKirk is about 25 when he meets Old Spock. (Pine was in his late twenties). So its well with in the realm of possibilities that Spock could not pinpoint NuKirk's exact age. People age at different rates, but I didn't look that different between the ages of 25 and 30.

 

[Warped9]

Okay, I see where you're coming from. Of course, there is the possibility that he could have been mistaken about the era in which he arrived. He may have been unclear regarding the current stardate.

I don't buy that. As soon as Spock sees a much younger Kirk he should damned well have a clearer idea of what's going on. It was sloppy writing just to serve the fact that Abrams wanted to slam everyone together at the beginning where in the original, more credible timeline the crew was of different ages and met at different periods of time.

How much younger/older would Kirk be? Kirk was was about 30 when he took command of the Enterprise. NuKirk is about 25 when he meets Old Spock. (Pine was in his late twenties). So its well with in the realm of possibilities that Spock could not pinpoint NuKirk's exact age. People age at different rates, but I didn't look that different between the ages of 25 and 30.

Buy it if you want. Doesn't work for me like so much else in the film.

 

[Nerys Myk]

A 25 year old character, who is played by a 28 year old actor, being mistaken for the 30ish version of the same character doen't work for you? I think you're trying a bit too hard to find things wrong. Stick to the stuff that actually doesn't make sense.

 

[Amaris]

You know, I've actually had this same thought. And if that was the case, it should have been addressed in the movie. Not spent alot of time on it, just a line or two. Like the scene between the two Spocks. Young Spock could say "If history has been changed, why don't you try to fix it?" And Old Spock could say "I'm getting too old for this shit". Or words to that effect.

True. There are a few moments where a line or a caption could keep things simple. Then again, we're Trek fans. Nothing escapes our critical eye, even if it doesn't bother us.

"If I were human, I might say... 'Fuck it.' If I were human."

I don't buy that. As soon as Spock sees a much younger Kirk he should damned well have a clearer idea of what's going on. It was sloppy writing just to serve the fact that Abrams wanted to slam everyone together at the beginning where in the original, more credible timeline the crew was of different ages and met at different periods of time.

Kirk would have only been a couple years older in the original timeline. Most people don't change enough to be noticeable over the course of a handful of years.

 

[bbailey861]

Nope, I'm still along for the ride and hopefully I can make it another 40+ years.....and that dementia hasn't set in.....

 

[Ssosmcin]

I grew up on the original series, no Trek since has come close to striking the same nerve, or brought me the same sense of sheer entertainment than classic Trek. I enjoyed all of the movies, the sequel series, and the Abrams redo. I liked the movie a lot, but I have no connection to it other than as a fan of the original. William Shatner is Captain Kirk - Chris Pine does a nice job interpreting the role, but he is no more Kirk to me than James Cawley. No ill will toward either, but Shatner is Kirk. Nimoy is Spock, De Kelly is McCoy, etc. These guys created the characters. Anyone else filling these roles is doing an interpretation. But they do a good job and don't ruin anything.

NuTrek is not something I'm all that concerned with, and I really don't care if anyone ever makes another Star Trek anything at this point. If the books, fan films, movies, and all that new stuff stops right now, I wouldn't pause for even a moment. The concept has been mined enough to satisfy me, anything new will just be more to compare to the original. I have no expectations that they will do anything other than riffs on fan loved concepts: a revamped Kahn, or Harry Mudd or whatever. I don't have much interest in seeing new takes on the old stuff. However, I have no idea what's next, they could go in a completely different and original direction.

Point is, my favorite Star Trek went off the air in 1969. I happily watch any new movie, but no matter what else comes, even if nothing ever does, I'll always have the original series to enjoy. Nothing anyone does will ruin it or make me give up on it.

 

[startrekrcks]

ah well you can have the original cast but I think the new cast did well in NuTrek off course your opinion may differ.

 

[Aragorn]

A 25 year old character, who is played by a 28 year old actor, being mistaken for the 30ish version of the same character doen't work for you? I think you're trying a bit too hard to find things wrong. Stick to the stuff that actually doesn't make sense.

They also didn't show Kirk walking around the academy with a stack of books. Damn them!

 

[Nerys Myk]

He was too busy looking at stacked blondes.

 

[startrekrcks]

because this Kirk is much more different did you not know.

Yes I noticed Pine's Kirk saying Hello Ladies.

 

[Ssosmcin]

ah well you can have the original cast but I think the new cast did well in NuTrek off course your opinion may differ.

I thought they did well, too. I just looked at them and judged how they interpreted the roles created by others. I was always aware of Pine, Quinto and Urban as actors trying to capture the spirit of what others have done, unlike when I watch Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley and never think anything other than "Kirk, Spock, and McCoy." That's the difference for me.

Honestly, though, I enjoyed the film and thought most of the cast really nailed it.

How much younger/older would Kirk be? Kirk was was about 30 when he took command of the Enterprise. NuKirk is about 25 when he meets Old Spock. (Pine was in his late twenties). So its well with in the realm of possibilities that Spock could not pinpoint NuKirk's exact age. People age at different rates, but I didn't look that different between the ages of 25 and 30.

I don't recall getting a definitive age of Kirk in the movie. I assumed that he was more like 21 or 22 in his third year at the Academy. Assuming Kirk met Spock upon taking command of the Enterprise (in the original timeline), that would have made Kirk around 32 or 33. Ten years does make a difference. Hell, Shatner changed a lot between Where No Man Has Gone Before and Turnabout Intruder. Jimmy Doohan changed even more. That's only three years.

Some people, though, didn't change as much - like De Kelley and George Takei. And boy, I'd love to know how Nero's screwing with the timeline changed Sulu from Japanese to Korean!

 

[Ssosmcin]

Mah shouldn't have posted twice in a row. Solly.

 

[Nerys Myk]

ah well you can have the original cast but I think the new cast did well in NuTrek off course your opinion may differ.

I thought they did well, too. I just looked at them and judged how they interpreted the roles created by others. I was always aware of Pine, Quinto and Urban as actors trying to capture the spirit of what others have done, unlike when I watch Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley and never think anything other than "Kirk, Spock, and McCoy." That's the difference for me.

Honestly, though, I enjoyed the film and thought most of the cast really nailed it.

How much younger/older would Kirk be? Kirk was was about 30 when he took command of the Enterprise. NuKirk is about 25 when he meets Old Spock. (Pine was in his late twenties). So its well with in the realm of possibilities that Spock could not pinpoint NuKirk's exact age. People age at different rates, but I didn't look that different between the ages of 25 and 30.

I don't recall getting a definitive age of Kirk in the movie. I assumed that he was more like 21 or 22 in his third year at the Academy. Assuming Kirk met Spock upon taking command of the Enterprise (in the original timeline), that would have made Kirk around 32 or 33. Ten years does make a difference. Hell, Shatner changed a lot between Where No Man Has Gone Before and Turnabout Intruder. Jimmy Doohan changed even more. That's only three years.

Some people, though, didn't change as much - like De Kelley and George Takei. And boy, I'd love to know how Nero's screwing with the timeline changed Sulu from Japanese to Korean!

If we know when Kirk was born (2233) and when Nero attacked Vulcan (2258) we know NuKirks age.
Prime Kirk gives his age (34) in a second season episode, the Deadly Years. I assume he took command prior to WNMHGB. Which could be a year or more before the start of season 1. I figure he was 31.

 

[ilovestartrek17]

Hello. I'm from the Class of '72. I enjoy TOS (tv series, TAS, the movies), DS9, and Vanguard in live action, rpg, comics, and prose formats.

I'm glad the Bad Robot crew has breathed new life into TOS.

I'm glad Canon tm has been violated.

 

[seigezunt]

ah well you can have the original cast

actually, you can't, unless you can bring back the dead.

 

[Navaros]

I am certain that Abrams is incapable of making a good Trek product and doubtful if he can even make one that is not ruined by incompetent shakycam directing.

I will continue to monitor his bad Trek products in order that my criticism of them remains on point, however I certainly won't look forward to watching them or harbor false hopes that something good will come of them.

 

[Aragorn]

I will continue to monitor his bad Trek products in order that my criticism of them remains on point

I think we've found an official motto here.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I have no idea whether my criticisms of brussells sprouts are on point or not - I gave them more than a couple of chances and then decided that life is too short.

OTOH, I can't manage much nostalgic recall for the corn-on-the-cob of my childhood either. There's way too many good vegetables out there today.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I enjoy TOS (tv series, TAS, the movies), DS9, and Vanguard in live action, rpg, comics, and prose formats.

"You're from the future?" (Scotty)