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Really?? Since when?
Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?
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Really?? Since when?
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You are free to believe that, although I am curious as to what evidence you have to suggest that Spock Prime isn't from the original TOS continuity.
I'm going for 'none'.
Not that it matters much, but the old Spock in XI appears to have originated in a universe where Kirk was the captain of the Enterprise by 2258 and a 24th century in which the technology/stardates appear to be different from the one we are familiar with.
There are other ways to rationalize these things, of course, but saying that old Spock is from a different universe is no less valid than any other fan rationalization.
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Well I meant complete reboot with no ties to the other movies and series even parallel universes. A complete redo.
But if it was meant to be a reboot it still sucked IMO.
Good points.
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Oh, I'm just asking out of curiosity. I wanted to know where he got the info or whether it was just conjecture, because I'm pretty sure Orci & Kurtzman consider it a given that Spock Prime comes from the established TOS universe into this alternative timeline.
As much as I liked XI, I've had my doubts about this one story point myself. Nimoy-Spock was always the one who, whenever the crew was faced with history changing, he would say that "history cannot be changed". And yet, in this movie, he loses his mom 50 years before she should have died, and his homeworld several millienia (presumably) before it should have been destroyed. Despite this, Spock simply accepts it. It's out of character.
Yes, XI was a good film, but the bottom line is, Abrams didn't pay close enogh attention to continuity.
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Well, his being referred to as Spock Prime shows that he comes from the prime universe. If it was any other universe than ours, it wouldn't be the Prime universe, but a different place entirely. The designation shows that he comes from the prime universe (TOS universe) into this new timeline/universe.
No, you misunderstand. I'm not disputing Spock's identity, just the story logic. I thought his actions in the movie were out of character from what we'd seen before.
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Not necessarily. As we have seen, as Spock has grown older, he's become a tad bit eccentric, even falling back on a bit of emotionalism if it gets the job done.
I did not really mind his emotionalism - you get a small glimpse of a more emotional old Spock in Unification, so it fits somewhat - but I too found it weird that he would just accept the huge changes in the timeline.
Spock became much more comfortable with his emotions post-TMP. He briefly reverted to a very confused full-on Vulcan after his return from the dead but, by the end of TVH, he was obviously working to embrace and integrate his humanity ("Tell my mother I feel fine.") and, in TFF and TUC, he had many moments of naked emotionalism.
Quinto's Spock will doubtlessly take a much shorter route to accepting his humanity since his humanity is all that is left of the other great love of his life, Amanda. Indeed, there is a very poignant moment in the film where he calls earth the only home he has left, something Spock Prime would never have done at his age.
Quinto's Spock will doubtlessly take a much shorter route to accepting his humanity since his humanity is all that is left of the other great love of his life, Amanda. Indeed, there is a very poignant moment in the film where he calls earth the only home he has left, something Spock Prime would never have done at his age.
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The biggy is the moment he seems surprised that Kirk isn't already in command of the Enterprise at that point in time. This directly contradicts the TOS continuity where Kirk was a Lieutenant at this point and not long out of the Academy.
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Okay, I see where you're coming from. Of course, there is the possibility that he could have been mistaken about the era in which he arrived. He may have been unclear regarding the current stardate.
The term is Trekker NOT Tosser. 
Also to answer the question, no this Trekker has not given up post-Abrams. I gave up during the Berman/Braga era and rightfully so as the bulk of their output was awful.
If anything my faith in Trek has been rejuvenated by Abrams. He recaptured the spark that made Trek so vital and powerful in the first place.
I feel nothing but gratitude for JJ Abrams.
Also to answer the question, no this Trekker has not given up post-Abrams. I gave up during the Berman/Braga era and rightfully so as the bulk of their output was awful.
If anything my faith in Trek has been rejuvenated by Abrams. He recaptured the spark that made Trek so vital and powerful in the first place.
I feel nothing but gratitude for JJ Abrams.
You know, I've actually had this same thought. And if that was the case, it should have been addressed in the movie. Not spent alot of time on it, just a line or two. Like the scene between the two Spocks. Young Spock could say "If history has been changed, why don't you try to fix it?" And Old Spock could say "I'm getting too old for this shit". Or words to that effect.
"If I were human, I might say... 'Fuck it.' If I were human."
I really liked the movie, and yeah, I agree that it's different, much much different from the source material or even the most recent TV show, but completely leaving the show? I cope by thinking that it's not actually Trek, but rather a new, exciting show that coincidentally has the same title and many of the same characters as Star Trek.
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