Oh yeah, Spock Prime and another old guy who spent a year complaining about the new Trek movie before it came out.
Well, I've never actually heard them complain but if they did, they're obviously highly perceptive creatures.
Any other TOSers give up post-Abrams?
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Well, I've never actually heard them complain but if they did, they're obviously highly perceptive creatures.
I'm a TOS fan, first and foremost and always will be. At the same time, for the most part, I've found some great stories here and there in most of the other shows. The movies are about 50-50 and while it's flawed (rather heavily in spots for my tastes... especially Pegg as Scotty), I walked out of the theatre after ST 2009 thinking "I want more". And that looking forward to the next movie feeling hasn't faded in my subsequent viewings.
I've seen that movie! Here are some screen caps!Saw Abrams' Star Wreck on my flight to last year's Las Vegas Con. Passed out after about 10 minutes. Regained consciousness and saw some jerk hitting on a girl with a red uniform who when I woke up next was hitting at a guy with pointed ears. Next time I woke up this very guy was beating up the jerk who had been hitting on the girl first. Fortunately, another meal was being served at this point, and shortly after I fell asleep once more. I woke up to sunny Las Vegas where I met the one and only Captain and First Officer, Bill & Leonard, and came home a very happy TOS camper.
I know I'm in the minority, but I despised Trek 2009. Walked out in the theater, watched it all the way through on DVD. It just didn't have the spirit, the feel that these people were intelligent and committed to a better way of life, or that they would ever be explorers. I'll stick with my TOS disks, pre-enhancements (Which seem too jarring for me) and be quite content.
On the other hand, I DID likeNuTrek's soundtrack. Even if it was overutilised.
On the other hand, I DID likeNuTrek's soundtrack. Even if it was overutilised.
startrekrcks
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Do you think if there wasn't TOS there wouldn't have been any renditions the other series and movies and alternate universes.
I agree that there would always be some that would resist it. But I disagree in some respects as well. There was nothing wrong with going back to TOS to reboot the franchise. There was nothing wrong (and actually rather smart) with disconnecting it from the established continuity. Believe or not I was prepared to try giving the film a chance. That said, though, everything I encountered before and after the film said to me Star Wreck rather than Star Trek. I simply couldn't accept any of the creative choices they made. Except for the reuse of familiar names and references I could find nothing in the film that resonated with the Star Trek I knew.It could have been one of the best films ever made and they still would have hated it. They were determined to hate it from the get go. Nothing would or could change their minds. Ironic, considering Star Trek's themes.And it was even sadder when the fears came true.
Believe or not I didn't really feel vindicated just so I could say, "I told you so." I found it rather sad and discouraging that they couldn't capture anything of the Star Trek I've admired and loved for so long.
And yet some many other people who have been fans as long as you or even longer did.I agree that there would always be some that would resist it. But I disagree in some respects as well. There was nothing wrong with going back to TOS to reboot the franchise. There was nothing wrong (and actually rather smart) with disconnecting it from the established continuity. Believe or not I was prepared to try giving the film a chance. That said, though, everything I encountered before and after the film said to me Star Wreck rather than Star Trek. I simply couldn't accept any of the creative choices they made. Except for the reuse of familiar names and references I could find nothing in the film that resonated with the Star Trek I knew.It could have been one of the best films ever made and they still would have hated it. They were determined to hate it from the get go. Nothing would or could change their minds. Ironic, considering Star Trek's themes.And it was even sadder when the fears came true.
Believe or not I didn't really feel vindicated just so I could say, "I told you so." I found it rather sad and discouraging that they couldn't capture anything of the Star Trek I've admired and loved for so long.
Are they seeing something you didn't? Why are they saying "Wow it was great, I feel like I did XX years ago when I saw Star Trek/TOS for the first time!" The movie also attracted new fans. Which was needed for Star Trek to have continued success. And I gotta say given your comments over the past year or so I can't believe you intended to give the film a "chance". While you were never the most vitriolic of posters, the vitriol was there. Sometimes not aimed at the film but its fans and the people who made it. And coming from a Star Trek fan, I find that much sadder and discourging than anything on screen.
Even if a lot of people love something there will be disagreements as to what they love about it and how they perceive it.And yet some many other people who have been fans as long as you or even longer did.I agree that there would always be some that would resist it. But I disagree in some respects as well. There was nothing wrong with going back to TOS to reboot the franchise. There was nothing wrong (and actually rather smart) with disconnecting it from the established continuity. Believe or not I was prepared to try giving the film a chance. That said, though, everything I encountered before and after the film said to me Star Wreck rather than Star Trek. I simply couldn't accept any of the creative choices they made. Except for the reuse of familiar names and references I could find nothing in the film that resonated with the Star Trek I knew.It could have been one of the best films ever made and they still would have hated it. They were determined to hate it from the get go. Nothing would or could change their minds. Ironic, considering Star Trek's themes.
Believe or not I didn't really feel vindicated just so I could say, "I told you so." I found it rather sad and discouraging that they couldn't capture anything of the Star Trek I've admired and loved for so long.
And I gotta say given your comments over the past year or so I can't believe you intended to give the film a "chance". While you were never the most vitriolic of posters, the vitriol was there. Sometimes not aimed at the film but its fans and the people who made it. And coming from a Star Trek fan, I find that much sadder and discourging than anything on screen.
Yes, I was angry, but at the base of it was extreme disappointment after so long I couldn't anything I loved about about TOS in the film.
I hadn't noticed.Even if a lot of people love something there will be disagreements as to what they love about it and how they perceive it.And yet some many other people who have been fans as long as you or even longer did.
And I gotta say given your comments over the past year or so I can't believe you intended to give the film a "chance". While you were never the most vitriolic of posters, the vitriol was there. Sometimes not aimed at the film but its fans and the people who made it. And coming from a Star Trek fan, I find that much sadder and discourging than anything on screen.
Yes, I was angry, but at the base of it was extreme disappointment after so long I couldn't anything I loved about about TOS in the film.
Hell, my best friend of almost 40 years and I disagree all the time aboutTrek, movies, comics, TV and other things. But to get angry over those things is something we never do. ( He was slightly less enthusiastic about the new Star Trek than I was). I guess I take all that IDIC, botherhood, kumbyah stuff too seriously. Probably Star Treks fault. 
So what is it about TOS that you loved?
^ That it required the viewer to actually think about what they were seeing, whereas the second you start thinking about what's going on in the new movie, the whole thing falls apart.
Once the best piece of advice regarding a Star Trek film is "check your brain at the door," you've got a problem.
(I was going to say "then Star Trek is truly dead," but so long as they are fans willing to pick up the baton and make more Star Trek on their own, Star Trek will never die. But this movie is definitely a dead end.)
Once the best piece of advice regarding a Star Trek film is "check your brain at the door," you've got a problem.
(I was going to say "then Star Trek is truly dead," but so long as they are fans willing to pick up the baton and make more Star Trek on their own, Star Trek will never die. But this movie is definitely a dead end.)
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I disagree. However, I have no intention of changing your mind, so that will be sufficient.
I hated the new star trek as did my best friend who loves TOS and TNG. We are both open minded people and gave the film a very fair chance, but we both thought it was total vomit when we came out of the theater.
I thought the new movies suffered from many of the same problems that the new Star Wars movies suffered from, yet this didn't stop many people from praising it like it was better than the original.
I don't mind that people like it though. It's better that SOME form of star trek is popular, so that hopefully down the line, maybe a few years from now, more well written star trek stories will be told and shown on tv.
I thought the new movies suffered from many of the same problems that the new Star Wars movies suffered from, yet this didn't stop many people from praising it like it was better than the original.
I don't mind that people like it though. It's better that SOME form of star trek is popular, so that hopefully down the line, maybe a few years from now, more well written star trek stories will be told and shown on tv.
That's a good thing, since most Trek fans do.
Yeah, the movie has a few WTF moments. But thats hardly unique in Star Trek. I've had to "check my brain at the door" more than once while watching Trek in all it incarnations. (And I dont even have to include "Spock's Brain". )
We'll see how much a "dead end" this film is in a couple years. Until then I'm sure its creators will be happy to acknowledge the awards its been nominated for and pick up the ones its won.
Considering the competition at the Oscars, don't be surprised if JJTrek gets shut out.
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I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Star Trek isn't exactly what one would consider an Oscar worthy film. None of the ST films are.
TOS, in fact, is full of them - and some of them from the very beginning when it was still quite good. They're to be found in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," "A Taste Of Armageddon" and all of "The Alternative Factor," among other examples.
By year two, WTF moments were coming fast and furious if you were inclined to look for them. And the reason for this little exercise is simply to demonstrate the familiar principle that "no text can sustain a hostile reading" - people who are determined to find fault with TOS can easily do it, and people who are determined to find fault with Abrams's movie can easily do it.
The pretense of a few people that they're more perceptive, intelligent or demanding than others simply because they dislike something is preposterous - I guarantee you that none of the folks around here who complain about Abrams's movie have got so much on the ball that they can look down at anyone else here.
All of this chattering about "dead ends" and so on is identical to the complaints made by some TOSsers when TNG premiered. It went on to be successful anyway, and eventually it and its spinoffs accounted for far more of the income and a much greater worldwide audience than the TOS-based movies or original series had managed. Abrams's version is already more successful than any previous film version, and as far as can be measured has been accepted by nine out of ten people who identify themselves as Trek fans and by millions of other people who could never be bothered with Trek before.
Really - does anyone expect Trek to win a major Academy Award? Anything that it qualifies for is going to be snapped up by the likes of Avatar, which is far superior to any other fantasy or science fiction movie of 2009.
I've seen that movie! Here are some screen caps!Saw Abrams' Star Wreck on my flight to last year's Las Vegas Con. Passed out after about 10 minutes. Regained consciousness and saw some jerk hitting on a girl with a red uniform who when I woke up next was hitting at a guy with pointed ears. Next time I woke up this very guy was beating up the jerk who had been hitting on the girl first. Fortunately, another meal was being served at this point, and shortly after I fell asleep once more. I woke up to sunny Las Vegas where I met the one and only Captain and First Officer, Bill & Leonard, and came home a very happy TOS camper.
Nice try, really
- but unfortunately, there's something called STORY behind these caps... so, thanks for supporting my point. 
And there was something called STORY behind the three scenes from the movie you saw between naps. I'll go as far to say the open sequence of ST09 alone, told a better story than "Charlie X", "Plato's Stepchildren" or "The Enterprise Incident".I've seen that movie! Here are some screen caps!Saw Abrams' Star Wreck on my flight to last year's Las Vegas Con. Passed out after about 10 minutes. Regained consciousness and saw some jerk hitting on a girl with a red uniform who when I woke up next was hitting at a guy with pointed ears. Next time I woke up this very guy was beating up the jerk who had been hitting on the girl first. Fortunately, another meal was being served at this point, and shortly after I fell asleep once more. I woke up to sunny Las Vegas where I met the one and only Captain and First Officer, Bill & Leonard, and came home a very happy TOS camper.
Nice try, really
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