Any mention of Data in post-Nemesis novels?

[STR]

I think the possibility of flashing back to Data in the post-Nemesis novels would be okay, but they should never actually bring him back, whether it be through B4 or some other means. All the emotional resonance from his sacrifice would be negated.

There is no, nor was there any "emotiontional resonance" from that scene. There was shock and anger, but that's directed at the people that made the movie, not anything IN the movie.

Have we met in person before ? Have we ever watched Nemesis together ? I only ask because you seem to think that you are somehow intune with my emotional state. How would you know what I feel when I watch a particular movie?

I know that the movie wasn't all that great, but I watched Data go through seven seasons on tv and 4 movies, and when he died, it struck a chord inside me. I was sad and disappointed that he was gone. Or was I? You seem to be the expert. You tell me ...

My apologies, perhaps this varies by where you are taught, but every English writing class I've had since high school it was drilled into me that it is unnecessary (and actually discouraged) to point out when a person is stating their opinion by prefacing it with a phrase like "In my opinion.." or "I think...". So let me rephrase myself:

I disagree with your statement. [I think] the death scene was unnecessary, poorly and ill-conceived to throw him away at the last moment of the last TNG movie. It is not plausible given what we know about Data and 24th century technology. Example: having only one escape button on the whole ship. It is not plausible that Data would jump into a situation so unprepared, and would accept shooting a phaser into the device rather than a more creative solution. It is also cheapened by the presence and the suggestion that B4 can and would (had NEM made enough money) become Data again al a TSFS.

All of that together left me thinking "well that sucked" which is not [in my opinion] an emotion (or at least a desirable one). That later developed into anger which was directed at the production staff of the movie rather than something or someone in the movie.

That the books, rather than rectifying a terrible mistake, have paraded a series of [my opinion] uninteresting (and even tedious) characters. This has therefore left me disappointed. [I believe] the removal of (arguably one of) the most popular and important characters in the franchise has left the TNG cast unbalanced. Something is missing, something that Kadohatas, Chodurrys and Elfikis don't even come close to bridging. Maybe they aren't alien enough. Maybe they lack the outsider and unique status Data had. I'm not entirely sure.

Perhaps I am in the minority. So be it if I am. If the powers at be disagree, it is their right. They must do what they feel is right creatively and business-wise, just as I must do what I feel is right as a consumer. I am not saying that everything must be as it was, I actually applaud intelligence and creativity. Since I did not find the killing of either wise or creative, I would prefer some kind of corrective action be taken, rather than embracing the mistake. It would not be the first time it has happened in this franchise.

 

[Christopher]

My apologies, perhaps this varies by where you are taught, but every English writing class I've had since high school it was drilled into me that it is unnecessary (and actually discouraged) to point out when a person is stating their opinion by prefacing it with a phrase like "In my opinion.." or "I think...".

The problem with high-school English classes is that they tend to teach rules for a particular type of writing, namely formal essay writing, and fail to point out that the same rules aren't meant to apply universally. Yes, in a formal essay, it's traditionally preferred to keep it impersonal, to avoid any use of first-person statements. But a BBS is more of a conversation, and in the context of an interpersonal conversation, it can come off as rude to state a personal opinion as though it were an objective fact.

I am not saying that everything must be as it was, I actually applaud intelligence and creativity. Since I did not find the killing of either wise or creative, I would prefer some kind of corrective action be taken, rather than embracing the mistake. It would not be the first time it has happened in this franchise.

Sometimes good things can come from mistakes. There are two ways to deal with a mistake. You can find a magic reset button and make it like it never happened, or (and this is the one we're usually stuck with in real life) you can face the consequences of the mistake, accept what you have to work with, and find a way to make the best of it. And just because you don't think the latter approach worked out in this particular case, that doesn't mean it was intrinsically wrong to choose that approach. It's as valid as the other, and often more creatively challenging. People can disagree whether a challenge has been met successfully, but saying it was wrong to try the more challenging route in the first place is not an opinion I can agree with.

 

[Good]

Spocked up?

A worthy new term, suitable for daily use. Let's define it. My suggestion is.

Spocked up - moving from a state of ignorance or thoughtlessness into a state of higher logic.

examples
Guy 1 - Have you studied for your physics exam yet?
Guy 2 - Yeah, I studied all night and now I'm all Spocked up!

or

Guy 1 - I'm going to marry this stripper I just met!
Guy 2 - Dude, you need to get Spocked up!

 

[STR]

My apologies, perhaps this varies by where you are taught, but every English writing class I've had since high school it was drilled into me that it is unnecessary (and actually discouraged) to point out when a person is stating their opinion by prefacing it with a phrase like "In my opinion.." or "I think...".

The problem with high-school English classes is that they tend to teach rules for a particular type of writing, namely formal essay writing, and fail to point out that the same rules aren't meant to apply universally. Yes, in a formal essay, it's traditionally preferred to keep it impersonal, to avoid any use of first-person statements. But a BBS is more of a conversation, and in the context of an interpersonal conversation, it can come off as rude to state a personal opinion as though it were an objective fact.

Funny, I've never had that problem and I grew up on these things. Nor is it a common, or even a rare problem, on most of the boards I've posted on. Even here, this is the first time I've had this come up. I've certainly had no problem discerning between opinions when others have replied to me, then again I'm one to give anyone the benefit of the doubt before taking any kind of offense. Perhaps we can all agree to be civil. I will certainly try.

I am not saying that everything must be as it was, I actually applaud intelligence and creativity. Since I did not find the killing of either wise or creative, I would prefer some kind of corrective action be taken, rather than embracing the mistake. It would not be the first time it has happened in this franchise.

Sometimes good things can come from mistakes. There are two ways to deal with a mistake. You can find a magic reset button and make it like it never happened, or (and this is the one we're usually stuck with in real life) you can face the consequences of the mistake, accept what you have to work with, and find a way to make the best of it. And just because you don't think the latter approach worked out in this particular case, that doesn't mean it was intrinsically wrong to choose that approach. It's as valid as the other, and often more creatively challenging. People can disagree whether a challenge has been met successfully, but saying it was wrong to try the more challenging route in the first place is not an opinion I can agree with.

I can see your viewpoint, and I can't say I disagree. Perhaps it does just comes down to execution. I don't think I'd have a problem with a half-new/half-old cast if all of the new people were as distinct individually and interesting collectively as those they replaced. It's just that...that really hasn't happened. Chen is interesting individually, but I really can't recall anything about all the other people. Nor have any of them really changed the dynamic of the team. Then again, changing the formula is the biggest risk and therefore challenge of all.