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Any love for The Enterprise Incident?
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I had forgotten that. Stock just rose several points.
If it's any consolation I totally get your assessment.
On topic, I think this one of the best Episodes in Season 3, partially because it is one of the view where we get to see more of the Romulans. But, the whole covert mission thing is a very interesting look into the types of mission Starfleet officers might undertake.
Gerrold also wrote a great Facebook post a few years ago in defense of William Shatner, making the point that he had the toughest job, the most dialogue, and put in the longest hours on the show, in addition to doing stuff like interviews and promotion for the show. And if he wasn't able to be everybody's buddy, well... He was still basically the guy who was giving everyone else a job.
If you want to read the whole thing, it's here.
If you want to read the whole thing, it's here.
Actually I checked through all 79 episodes -- there are only about 6 episodes where it makes no sense that the language isn't being questioned by the aliens involved.
Many episodes they are dealing with highly advanced aliens who are telepathic or using their own tech -- Thasians, Mekotioans, Talosins, Metrons, Organians, Excalbians, Vians. Many times the aliens know that the Feds are alien and would have zero problem with a (unseen by the audience) device translating. Other times they are using the ship's built in translator to talk to other ships.
Only in episodes where they are trying to fool the aliens into believing that they are actually native to the planet or ship where it falls apart -- Archons, Patterns of Force, Enterprise Incident, All Our yesterdays (the Kirk portion), Bread and Circuses.
Enterprise Incident sticks out so sorely because of the tense stand-off they are in and Kirk just pops over and pretends to be a Romulan while not speaking the language. It's absurd and not emblematic of the series in general in any way. They kind of did a great job of taking language into account. Only one of those episodes in the first 42 filmed had this flaw.
Many episodes they are dealing with highly advanced aliens who are telepathic or using their own tech -- Thasians, Mekotioans, Talosins, Metrons, Organians, Excalbians, Vians. Many times the aliens know that the Feds are alien and would have zero problem with a (unseen by the audience) device translating. Other times they are using the ship's built in translator to talk to other ships.
Only in episodes where they are trying to fool the aliens into believing that they are actually native to the planet or ship where it falls apart -- Archons, Patterns of Force, Enterprise Incident, All Our yesterdays (the Kirk portion), Bread and Circuses.
Enterprise Incident sticks out so sorely because of the tense stand-off they are in and Kirk just pops over and pretends to be a Romulan while not speaking the language. It's absurd and not emblematic of the series in general in any way. They kind of did a great job of taking language into account. Only one of those episodes in the first 42 filmed had this flaw.
Gotcha. Where they're trying to pass as natives. I was gonna say "Taste of Armageddon" and "Apple" but our crew are clearly outsiders so we can assume there is a translator at work somewhere in there?
I also appreciate David Gerrold's post. Mr. S takes a lot of crap. Actors aren't paid to be nice or to be friends. And they have their long-term career to look out for too. He was the star. And he starred. His Kirk meant a lot to me as a boy, and I think still plays a part in how I think a person should be.
I also appreciate David Gerrold's post. Mr. S takes a lot of crap. Actors aren't paid to be nice or to be friends. And they have their long-term career to look out for too. He was the star. And he starred. His Kirk meant a lot to me as a boy, and I think still plays a part in how I think a person should be.
Yes, I am only referring to episodes where they are trying to pass as natives in places where that don't speak the same language. Obviously in "City on the Edge..." "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Assignment Earth" -- they don't have an issue.
Also my mistake -- in "Bread and Circuses" Spock notes they are speaking English -- even though that makes zero sense in a society where Rome never fell -- they would be speaking Latin.
Also my mistake -- in "Bread and Circuses" Spock notes they are speaking English -- even though that makes zero sense in a society where Rome never fell -- they would be speaking Latin.
Stock just rose more. Perhaps out of "tool" status. He can be an arrogant, outspoken jerk, but maybe not a tool.
Outspoken, certainly. But I don't always consider that a bad thing. I can even be forgiving of someone being arrogant if they have the talent to back it up (i.e. They have an actual reason to be arrogant). Jerk, I can't really speak to, as I've said I've only had positive interactions with the man.
But glad you're being open-minded enough to revise your opinion of DG, even slightly.
I've revised my opinion of him downward over the past decades.But glad you're being open-minded enough to revise your opinion of DG, even slightly.
Care to explain why? Not criticizing, just curious.
Or Greek.
Never delivering the long-long-promised next novel of his Chtorr books. A few years ago he was asking for donations due to family emergencies and the offered "donation perks" which included bits of the unreleased books (which is ok), and added "Anyone making a donation of $1000 or more will receive all of the previous perks, PLUS: I will name a character after you in either A NEST FOR NIGHTMARES or A METHOD FOR MADNESS." (I'd link it but it's to a crowdfunding site and that's against board rules.) I get that he had financial issues, but at this rate he's never going to finish either book (it's 26 years since the last one of that series came out, so it's not promising) and to me it feels disingenuous to have people donate with such never-to-be-delivered perks promised. Then there's the matter of the Axanar debacle where he initially sided against CBS. He was also involved in the laziest Kickstarter imaginable for a proposed series based on his Star Wolf stories (which failed miserably), as if he couldn't be arsed to contribute meaningfully to the effort to make his own show. Finally there's some personal behavior stuff I heard from a fanfilm shoot that I'm not going to get into.
Not damning the man, and there may be some extenuating circumstances, but collectively this knocked him down a few pegs in my estimation.
Yeah that scene was crying out for a larger, more cluttered set. Could they really not have done an Enterprise Engine Room redress? It passed OK for the computer room in The Menagerie and they were happy enough to use one of those wall consoles in the filmed episode anyway.
It would have been better if the Romulan Commander went directly to the Cloaking Device station and just stood there briefly dumbfound, then direct her guards with a simple arm wave to check out the other controls (for sabotage) and the unconscience guard. Instead of Tal exclaiming "Commander, the cloaking device is gone!", it would have been better for the Commander to turn to Spock and exclaim, "Where is it!"
I always thought that "Where No Man Has Gone Before" reminded me of an early episode of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
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