Anson Mount as Pike SAVES This Show! Wow.

[eschaton]

I think I am, after hearing L'rell and Voq are coming back.

Did you watch the interview, where they said the issue of L'Rell maybe raping Ash will be "dealt with?"

 

[ITDUDE]

Did you watch the interview, where they said the issue of L'Rell maybe raping Ash will be "dealt with?"

The problem is not with the "issue". The problem is with the whole Klingon arc. The less they mention it going forward, the better off STD will be

 

[BillJ]

Did you watch the interview, where they said the issue of L'Rell maybe raping Ash will be "dealt with?"

Don't care. I didn't care for any of the Klingon characters, they felt like cartoons.

 

[eschaton]

The problem is not with the "issue". The problem is with the whole Klingon arc. The less they mention it going forward, the better off STD will be

I agree. I was being sarcastic. I really don't want to see this "resolved" because either we're going to find out that Ash imagined it all from previous memories of consensual sex as Voq (meaning the pathos of his early character is taken away) or that L'Rell is an actual rapist, but we're still supposed to identify with her because she's a strong female character or something (brain bleach please!).

 

[Spot261]

I didn't see that at all. Care to elaborate?

I'm assuming sarcasm?

 

[BillJ]

I'm assuming sarcasm?

No. I'm serious.

 

[Mudd]

I didn't see that at all. Care to elaborate?

Nor do I.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

I think I am, after hearing L'rell and Voq are coming back.

That's a well I would have been fine with them not going back to.

 

[Kane_Steel]

I wasn't thinking of the accident.

I was thinking more of the ineffectual, bigoted buffoon with anger management issues we saw in The Cage and how awful he would be as a lead.

Someone's upset, lol. Agree to disagree man.

Pike was fantastic. Great lead, and great authoritative presence onscreen. I liked him more than Kirk (who actually make more 'bigoted' comments during his run ) .

All the Captains have had anger management issues throughout their respective runs.

Captain Pike is really what this show desperately needed, but sadly may not be enough to elevate everything.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Well, not exactly. Kirk meets Pike when Pike is promoted to Fleet Captain. Kirk also meets Pike when Pike hands over the ship to Kirk. Nothing to say these would be one and the same meeting; the way it's phrased in "The Menagerie", the promotion thing would be the first-ever meeting of the two. Maybe it's already in the past of this show? After all, Pike already wears the regalia of Captain here.

But at that first meeting at the promotion, Pike supposedly is "handsome, vital, active", so whatever additional accidents he had, those didn't slow him down much...

Timo Saloniemi

Cool, but I'm still right.

Pike hands the ship to Kirk in 2265, that's still about 7 years from STD.

The Menagerie happened in 2267, so Pike's accident was around that timeframe. Months or maybe a year prior to the ep.

 

[Kane_Steel]

The overall vibe I get from Discovery in general is that it's too "try-hard". It panders. Even though S2 looks to be tonally very different from S1, it's still pandering, placing bets on a "hook" (in this case, lighter Kelvin-style humor).

I don't get the sense that the show has the confidence to be its own thing. It's a corporate "product" and nothing more than the sum of its corporate-agreed-upon parts.

You're only realizing this now? lol. The reasoning behind the creation of this show wasn't creative.

It was a straight-up business move designed to prop CBS All-Access.

CBS knew Star Trek has a sizeable fanbase that would be willing to pay. This show was put out there to exploit their money to keep CBS All Access afloat.

So the 'try-hard' pandering will continue.

I'm not surprised they announced a Picard series as a possibility next. Now they'll try to get money from the age demos that are nostalgic for TNG next.

 

[fireproof78]

You're only realizing this now? lol. The reasoning behind the creation of this show wasn't creative.

It was a straight-up business move designed to prop CBS All-Access.

Roddenberry would be proud.

 

[ITDUDE]

I'm not surprised they announced a Picard series as a possibility next. Now they'll try to get money from the age demos that are nostalgic for TNG next.

As well they should.

 

[Dave Steinman]

Y
I'm not surprised they announced a Picard series as a possibility next. Now they'll try to get money from the age demos that are nostalgic for TNG next.

Be careful. You might hurt yourself if you ever fall off that high horse you've climbed up on.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Don't care. I didn't care for any of the Klingon characters, they felt like cartoons.

Klingon's have rarely risen above being cartoons.

 

[BillJ]

Klingon's have rarely risen above being cartoons.

You're right. But these guys just took it to another level.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You're right. But these guys just took it to another level.

Kol, maybe. But I found L'Rell and Tyvoq to have more dimension than many Klingons from previous shows.

 

[BillJ]

Kol, maybe. But I found L'Rell and Tyvoq to have more dimension than many Klingons from previous shows.

Have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Jadeb]

Have to agree to disagree on this one.

Don’t forget that many previous Klingons didn’t have speaking parts.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Don’t forget that many previous Klingons didn’t have speaking parts.

It was the ones with speaking parts I was thinking of.