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Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread

HBL nails it on the first attempt.

Pot roast. Which my wife promises me will not be burned. We'll have the peanut butter and jelly on standby, just in case.
 
...I'm having pot roast tonight, too. It's cooking in the ol' crockpot right now!

*Twilight Zone theme*

EDIT: This episode's both creepy and cute. I like the ending when Janeway's all dramatically flipping out, and says, "You'll have to kill meeee," and then the computer just retorts with a simple "Acknowledged." Pwned.
 
Season six seemed to go by pretty quickly for me. I can hardly believe that I just watched...

"Unimatrix Zero, Part I"

How do you think this one is going to turn out for me?

1. It's a Borg episode
2. Featuring the Borg Queen
3. Action on an epic scale
4. We learn more about Borg culture

In other words, four things that just don't do it for me. The less you see of the Borg, the more effective they are, and by this point they've been over-exposed. Plus, didn't Kes throw them 10,000 light years away from the Borg three years ago? But they just keep popping up.

Here's how I would have dealt with the Borg. After they find out Icheb has that virus thing, Janeway twists the Doctor's arm into engineering an airborne version. They then fill a shuttle with some TECH that will grab the attention of a cube. The re-engineered virus has a six-month delay, so instead of keeling over right away, the drones spread it throughout the cube, which then spreads it throughout the Quadrant. By the time drones start to die, there's nothing they can do to stop the virus. A few scattered outposts of Borg are left. Maybe they all band together in a single system that's put under quarantine.

To ensure that the Borg never become a threat again, Janeway gives the virus to the systems surrounding the remaining Borg, modified so that it now acts much quicker. Now, they've effectively inoculated the Delta Quadrant against the spread of the Borg. You could have a great "Do I have the right?" moment as Janeway grapples with her morality, and then in the following season have episodes that deal with the unintended consequences of the Borg's demise.

But instead we just have Voyager going up against a quadrant full of Borg by itself, again.

There was something bothering me about this episode from the start. It wasn't until it was almost over that I realized it: it's extremely derivative of The Matrix, to the extent that "Matrix" is actually in the title. A group of drones plugged into a collective experiences a reality in which they look as they want to, not as they really do. That's a bit too close for comfort for me.

By the end, where we've got the Captain, Tuvok, and Torres assimilated, there's more than a passing resemblance to "The Best of Both Worlds," as well.

And why do we have to see the Borg Queen getting put together every time we see her? It's megacool and all that, but I just don't get what that sequence is trying to tell us, besides that it looks cool. Neat that they can do something we saw in "BEM" that looks so realistic, but what's the point?

It was a well-made episode, to be sure, but it just was lacking...something. For my tastes, at least.
 
Well I for one really enjoyed "Unimatrix Zero". I thought it was a really neat idea of a secret resistance group that would lead to a Borg civil war that could lead to the downfall of the Borg once and for all--it was the kind of epic stuff you'd expect going into the final season plus with how the show made the Borg their big threat you'd expect them to leave a final impact on them in some dramatic way--this seemed the perfect way. I mean you'd think it would lead to a nice arc with a Borg war where you'd not only have the UZ drones involved but other races who would join in bringing down the Delta Quadrant scourge and it could tie nicely into the Pathfinder/Barclay/Federation story by having a front back in the Alpha Quadrant. Sadly it didn't work out that way.

It was, in theory, "Descent" from TNG done right. Most of the first part is just set-up but it was quite interesting seeing the Borg Queen try to locate the defectors, Seven getting pulled into UZ and learning while she was a drone she had a secret life in this place where she came as a child and "grew up" in, seeing Janeway convince Axum to not just want to protect UZ but to become individualities again in the real world.

I loved the image of these wolves in wolves clothing pretending to be drones and working from the inside to destroy the Collective. The final act was pulse-pounding seeing the battle and JTT sneaking aboard. I loved the idea of the trio being assimilated and a neat sight to see them as drones at the very end. Some might say it was a rip-off of BoBW but not me this time there were three officers assimilated and it was part of a much larger plan. Some might question voluntary assimilation but I think it makes sense. Janeay was clearly bothered by yet more victims at the colony we saw earlier in the episode. And serendiptiously this opportunity to bring the Borg down presents itself to her. We've seen Janeway act a little crazy. What is a little discomfort in her eyes while keeping her individuality if it could stop the Borg. Tuvok is a Vulcan and would examine it in more dispassionate eyes and in his duty to guarantee the safety of the captain and dear friend.

The story falls apart in the second half however.
 
Funny that HoneyBLilly and Startrekwatcher have exactly opposite conclusions about which half is better.

I'm putting this one off until tomorrow: I'm giddy about the fact that, in two hours or so, I'll be watching the new Doctor Who!
 
Sis only likes part II because she *places hand over mouth to muffle reason* that's why.

Here's how I see it, both parts are wonderful if you ignore Borg continuity. While Mair may like part II if I had to choose between the two I would choose part 1.

Part I seemed more together and also I did love the little end scene between Janeway and Chakotay.

Part II was just . . . Out there
 
I took a break from shredding the mozzarella for matzoh pizza because I remembered something that's been bugging me.

I've got no idea what that medical-instrument-looking ship in the season 6 Voyager DVD menus is.

For the past several weeks, every night my daughter keeps on asking, "What is it? What is it?" And I have to say that I don't know. I kept on thinking it would show up eventually, but if it has, I missed it.

So can someone please tell me what it is?
 
Wow, I'm behind.

I liked "Haunting..."
It's got a Ray Bradbury meeting the Outer Limits feeling to it.
Only thing missing was Karen Black.

Over all I really don't like "Unimatrix".
It's really the only Voyager Borg story I don't because it feels like one Borg story too many and kinda makes the Queen look weak, especially in the second half. Plus, if Seven was assimilated at 8, why would her "Matrix" image be of an adult if she's still mentally a little girl?
 
I like bits and pieces of Part I, mostly because Janeway and Chakotay finally make through a season finale without trying to kill each other - they even hold hands and play nice! It's like "Basics" all over again.

But, yeah. Part II is the episode I like a little bit better, for no good reason other than I think it's kinda neat.
 
It's an 8472 bioship, which seems a bit random. May I please have some pizza?

I'm sending you a virtual square of matzoh pizza. It's actually not bad--it's just very, very thin crust pizza that's kind of crunchy.

And did we even see one of those ships in this season?

Also, please tell me that we don't see the Delta Flyer again after it got blown up.
 
I went through adding ST Voyager to my database of ST episodes recently, and it got somewhat depressing, i had to rate a lot of them 2 stars or less out of 5, and 2 episodes got no stars at all...a first for my ST series lists. However, I did notice a lot more 4-star + episodes after the 5th season. I think I HAVE to say it got better as it went along and when ST Voyager was good, it was really good!
 
OH! Note about the start of Season 7, by the way:

I don't know what order the episodes are in on the first Season 7 DVD, but "Drive" should be watched before "Imperfection." The episodes were shown out of order on TV (and they might be wrong on the DVD as well.) "Drive" takes place on an earlier stardate.
 
I went through adding ST Voyager to my database of ST episodes recently, and it got somewhat depressing, i had to rate a lot of them 2 stars or less out of 5, and 2 episodes got no stars at all...a first for my ST series lists. However, I did notice a lot more 4-star + episodes after the 5th season. I think I HAVE to say it got better as it went along and when ST Voyager was good, it was really good!

What got no stars?
 
I went through adding ST Voyager to my database of ST episodes recently, and it got somewhat depressing, i had to rate a lot of them 2 stars or less out of 5, and 2 episodes got no stars at all...a first for my ST series lists. However, I did notice a lot more 4-star + episodes after the 5th season. I think I HAVE to say it got better as it went along and when ST Voyager was good, it was really good!

What got no stars?

Threshold and Sacred ground.

Mortal Coil, Tattoo, The Fight, Cathexis, Persistence of Vision, The Thaw, Twisted all got *1/2 stars or less as well. I intensely dislike the themes in many of the episodes mentioned there..don't think they really belong in ST period. I have never rewatched most of those episodes again.

RAMA
 
Outside of "The Thaw," I can't say I disagree with you. My personal VOY nemesis is "Nemesis."

How are things down at the shore these days?
 
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