Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread

[T.D. Possum]

It's because Jeri Ryan takes good care of herself.
Voyager has been off the air now for years, she's given birth to her second child & co-runs a restaurant. Yet she still maintains her figure.

That's IMO for no other reason but personal choice of fitness.

Yeah, but I looked it up and she's still maintaining an underweight figure for her height and age. I admire people who keep fit, and make an effort to keep my own weight healthy - but it's a fact that the vast majority of actresses keep themselves underweight when they are working, and that is definitely not healthy.

ETA: Oh, yeah, and to tie that back in with what I said originally - I don't know how much J. Lien weighed when she did "Fury", but just eyeballin' her, I'd say she was in her recommended healthy range - and some people say she looked fat simply because they were so accustomed to seeing her and her fellow actress at an unhealthy, low weight.

I recognize that your point is not exactly the same as that - I'm just sayin' it's hard for people to judge what normal looks like when the media that produces role models doesn't often show it.

 

[exodus]

Yeah, but I looked it up and she's still maintaining an underweight figure for her height and age. I admire people who keep fit, and make an effort to keep my own weight healthy - but it's a fact that the vast majority of actresses keep themselves underweight when they are working, and that is definitely not healthy.

Sorry but it just seems hypocritical IMO to be insulted by those that call Lien fat but feel justified in calling someone else underweight and unhealthy for being fit.

 

[T.D. Possum]

I don't think I'm explaining myself very well. What I'm saying is: Lien did not appear to be overweight at the time she made Fury. Some people called her fat. That annoyed me.

I don't get annoyed when people see an actress who actually is overweight and point that out. That's just stating facts - like when I pointed out that Ryan is underweight. Just a fact.

 

[exodus]

I don't think I'm explaining myself very well. What I'm saying is: Lien did not appear to be overweight at the time she made Fury. Some people called her fat. That annoyed me. I don't get annoyed when people see an actress who actually is overweight and point that out.

She went from a size 2 to a size 6.
What did you expect people to say?
Folks noticed and they just pointed it out.
That's all they did.

Seriously, if you wanna be upset go after those that make up stories as if the know Lien, saying she fell into a deep depression which caused her to over eat. We don't know ANY of that for fact.

 

[T.D. Possum]

Oh, well. I don't have any more arguments that I think would persuade you, so I guess we'll have to stop debating it. *tips hat* 'Till next time, exodus.

PS: I'm right!

 

[exodus]

PS: I'm right!

I will see you after school at 3:00.

 

[T.D. Possum]

^ *high five*

 

[exodus]

^ *high five*

I'm just waiting for the crowd to gather and go: " Ooooooh, SNAP!!!"

 

[Markira]

*gathers crowd*

"Oooooh, SNAP!"

 

[exodus]

*gathers crowd*

"Oooooh, SNAP!"

 

[Shatnertage]

While trying to maintain my weight at a healthy level last night, I had a chance to watch...

"Life Line"

Why does the mail get delivered in Astrometrics? Shouldn't communications go through the bridge? I guess you can say that because they were using an unconventional method the transmission was detected by by astrometric instruments instead of regular comm channels, but it's kind of weird.

So the Doctor goes back to Jupiter Station to heal his creator. On the plus side, we get to see Robert Picardo playing two roles, which is definitely preferable to having Robert Beltran play two roles (at least at this point in the show). On the down side, it's kind of a boring episode.

There are some neat quirky touches, like the talking iguana who reminds me of a stoner just sitting around the house and randomly repeating what other people say. And Counselor Troi shows up, but because I'm not the biggest Troi fan, that doesn't do much for me.

Honestly, I've got nothing here. It wasn't an awful episode at all, but it definitely wasn't a great one.

I think there could have been a more interesting story told about the concerns Janeway had at the beginning but Chakotay brushed off.

And if two high-speed vessels are going to reach them in 6 years, does that mean they're only 12 years away from Federation space? Meaning it takes 18 years to get to Earth from the edge of Federation space?

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I always wondered about the ship thing too. But this is the point where I just sigh and say just go with it.

But I loved this episode, Bob Picardo also came up with the story. And I'm actually not surprised you didn't like it, if I remember correctly you didn't like Message in a Bottle either and it's along that same line of episode.

As for Astrometrics, I think that's because all of the Borg addition is routed to there because it could possibly interfere with ship's communication on the bridge. Plus they had a really big viewscreen.

 

[exodus]

It's the only ep. with Barclay I like because it finally acts normal.

Still, the Dr. Zimmerman in it isn't like the one we saw a year before on DS9.

There are some neat quirky touches, like the talking iguana who reminds me of a stoner just sitting around the house and randomly repeating what other people say.

I'm picturing Steven Wright as the "guy on the couch" from "Half Baked" right now.

 

[Shatnertage]

There was one thing that would have made this a Top Ten episode: Robert Picardo singing a duet with himself.

 

[Athena28]

Well, I'm back with a completely non-controversial episode...

"Fury"

I know that many Kes fans have de-canonized this episode (kind of like reversing the polarity of the hull plating), but I didn't find it that offensive. Just...weird.

It's the kind of story that's a good idea, but just has a few logical loopholes. Like, would the fact that Janeway was able to manipulate 2 year-old Kes into making a video really convince 8 year-old Kes to play nice?

Besides that, there's actually some great stuff here. Tuvok and Janeway share a wonderful scene (twice) that ends with a great Janeway laugh. And Tuvok in general is pretty cool in this one; for the second episode in a row, he has to ask to be relieved.

It was nice seeing the little season 1 touches, like everyone treating the Doctor like crap and Janeway's Power Bun.

But mostly this one was just kind of strange.

I like the look back, too. That was fun.

But I didn't care for this ep. Just thought it was oddly written & thrown into the mix.

 

[Shatnertage]

I have turned off all of the lights to write about...

"The Haunting of Deck Twelve"

Great title, and a pretty good end-of-season semi-comic filler episode.

There are two things that stuck out in my mind when I saw this.

One, Tuvok's "full of win" moment early on, when he told Kim and Paris exactly what he saw.

I'm listening to Miles Davis right now and had a little epiphany: Tim Russ plays Tuvok like a Miles Davis solo--very "cool" and restrained but at the same time with a real edge, almost sardonic. It's why he's great. You just get the sense that he could take the piss out of absolutely anyone with three words, max. Like a Davis solo, there's a real economy of words (notes) and an underlying intensity.

Oh, back to the episode. It's cute. It makes the Borg kids actually seem pretty cool. Ethan Phillips does a nice girlie-scream when he's playing someone who's scared, too. It does feel like something we've seen before, maybe as far back as TOS, but like I said for what it is, it's pretty nice.

The other great moment doesn't have anything to do with the production itself, but with my advancing powers of Trek geekery.

Remember back in "Meld" where I was ecstatic that I caught the Ensign/Crewman Suder continuity goof? Here I think I found something even geekier. They've established that they've gone into the nebula to gather deuterium through the bussard collectors, but at one point Janeway gives the order of them to "stop collecting dilithium" and get out. So there.

That's really all I have. I liked the episode, but there's not that much to say.

I also watched most of the end-of-season special features and learned a little about the show. The visual effects feature was great--it really takes a lot of work to make the show look so good.

On a dare from my wife, we watched the Robert Beltran feature, and I noticed that he really seems to define himself in terms of what he isn't--a sci fi fan, a boxing fan, etc. Interesting approach. Seems cool enough, though.

And I loved the little easter egg bit with Kate Mulgrew dressed in all black talking about how she didn't think Janeway should have dated a hologram. No dismissive hand gestures, though.

 

[T.D. Possum]

This ep has a special place in my heart. It's just plain good fun.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I love this episode.

Love the Janeway talking to Voyager parts. Those were cute-ish.

It was very dark, and very creepy, but I thought it worked out very well.

EDIT: And Robert Beltran, he doesn't like a lot of anything.

 

[Shatnertage]

I forgot about Janeway talking to the ship! She had a good scene with Chakotay there.

And I'll give you three guesses about what we've having for dinner tonight.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

The only thing I have on my mind is pot roast.

I can't remember if there was food in this episode, I remember the cup of coffee scene, but not food.