Ah, cool! Thanks for posting these! 
I would actually eat a Twinkie for these guys.
I would actually eat a Twinkie for these guys.
Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread
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See, we do agree on something.
Lived here all my life and haven't seen them yet.
How sad, right?
I am going out into the wilderness to watch...
"Good Shepherd"
Basically, this episode is "Lower Decks" meets "Final Mission." There was some really interesting stuff, like the look into the lives of the losers on Voyager. But even though Janeway was the center of the episode, it didn't feel like a good Kate Mulgrew episode to me.
I don't know why that is. She just seemed a little off in this one. Maybe it's because she was working with three guest stars? I don't know.
I liked the zoom in at the beginning--cool effect. And the way they followed that PADD around.
This is another one of those episodes that makes you shake your head at Starfleet. You'd assume that in an environment where a small mistake can easily cause a disaster, they'd have a pretty good evaluation system. But they don't--after six years, it's Seven's efficiency analysis that brings these slackers to the captain's attention.
In the context of the episode itself, though, there's a cute story. Even Harren finds some redemption. I wish that there had been one more scene where we learn the consequences of everyone's actions--does Harren start to socialize more? Is he court-martialed for insubordination and murder, for that matter?
Besides that, there's really not much to say. It wasn't awful by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't one of my favorite either--it's a solid middle-of-the-roader.
"Good Shepherd"
Basically, this episode is "Lower Decks" meets "Final Mission." There was some really interesting stuff, like the look into the lives of the losers on Voyager. But even though Janeway was the center of the episode, it didn't feel like a good Kate Mulgrew episode to me.
I don't know why that is. She just seemed a little off in this one. Maybe it's because she was working with three guest stars? I don't know.
I liked the zoom in at the beginning--cool effect. And the way they followed that PADD around.
This is another one of those episodes that makes you shake your head at Starfleet. You'd assume that in an environment where a small mistake can easily cause a disaster, they'd have a pretty good evaluation system. But they don't--after six years, it's Seven's efficiency analysis that brings these slackers to the captain's attention.
In the context of the episode itself, though, there's a cute story. Even Harren finds some redemption. I wish that there had been one more scene where we learn the consequences of everyone's actions--does Harren start to socialize more? Is he court-martialed for insubordination and murder, for that matter?
Besides that, there's really not much to say. It wasn't awful by any stretch of the imagination, but it wasn't one of my favorite either--it's a solid middle-of-the-roader.
You felt Kate was off in this episode?
I felt she was at a level of her best in this episode.
Good Shepherd is just one of those if you really care about everyone else episode such as Lower Decks and what was that one from VOY's first season? Argh! I can't remember! But it was the "take the cheese to sickbay!" one.
I felt she was at a level of her best in this episode.
Good Shepherd is just one of those if you really care about everyone else episode such as Lower Decks and what was that one from VOY's first season? Argh! I can't remember! But it was the "take the cheese to sickbay!" one.
"Learning Curve?"
I just thought she had a certain "zing" missing--like that little semi-flirtatious look she gave Chakotay when they laughing about the photogenic alien in "Memorial." I didn't think she was bad at all--she was fine, but she just didn't have that little something extra that I've seen in other episodes.
I think they should have done more stories like this, focusing on the less well-known crew members. It certainly made for something different.
I just thought she had a certain "zing" missing--like that little semi-flirtatious look she gave Chakotay when they laughing about the photogenic alien in "Memorial." I didn't think she was bad at all--she was fine, but she just didn't have that little something extra that I've seen in other episodes.
I think they should have done more stories like this, focusing on the less well-known crew members. It certainly made for something different.
Yes! Learning Curve! Thank you.
See, I felt she was at her best in season six, like in season four. Season five past Bride of Chaotica! I felt that's when she lost her zing.
But I do see where you're coming from. It's kind of like trying to pinpoint when Robert Beltran finally got tired of it, it's impossible to tell from how everyone sees it.
See, I felt she was at her best in season six, like in season four. Season five past Bride of Chaotica! I felt that's when she lost her zing.
But I do see where you're coming from. It's kind of like trying to pinpoint when Robert Beltran finally got tired of it, it's impossible to tell from how everyone sees it.
I think this is a great ep as long as I pretend it was from Season One.
The weeding out issue doesn't bother me all that much here - Chak even talked about how those three would have been moved out of starship service early on if they were back in the Alpha Quadrant.
It DOES bother me that on a ship with 150 people, it took six years for their performance to be noticed by the senior staff. It also bothers me that they had roommates. I mean, it's reasonable to expect people to share quarters on a normal tour of duty, but - for seventy years? I like to imagine that after a couple of months in the Delta Quadrant, the crew moved around some prefab walls and made everyone their own little room.
But, anyway, that's why I mentally rearrange the timeline and make this a season one episode. Then I really like it.
And I totally ignore Janeway getting lost on her own ship. That's just pot roast.
You'll see Tal Celes again, actually. She still won't realize her first name is her last name, but she'll show up.
In other news:
exodus and I agree on something!
The weeding out issue doesn't bother me all that much here - Chak even talked about how those three would have been moved out of starship service early on if they were back in the Alpha Quadrant.
It DOES bother me that on a ship with 150 people, it took six years for their performance to be noticed by the senior staff. It also bothers me that they had roommates. I mean, it's reasonable to expect people to share quarters on a normal tour of duty, but - for seventy years? I like to imagine that after a couple of months in the Delta Quadrant, the crew moved around some prefab walls and made everyone their own little room.
But, anyway, that's why I mentally rearrange the timeline and make this a season one episode. Then I really like it.
And I totally ignore Janeway getting lost on her own ship. That's just pot roast.
You'll see Tal Celes again, actually. She still won't realize her first name is her last name, but she'll show up.
In other news:
exodus and I agree on something!
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The only thing good about 'Good Shepherd' was Tom Morello was in it...I was a huge Rage Against The Machine fan back then. I couldn't stand those 3 goof ball crewmen.
He looked very suave and handsome in his Starfleet uniform, too!
And I totally ignore Janeway getting lost on her own ship. That's just pot roast.
I also found that to be stupid. Deck 15 is tiny. And Janeway can sleepwalk that ship. She wouldn't get lost.
However, Tom Morello balanced that part out.
I love Rage.I found it kinda funny because it reminded me of the scene with the Doc. in "Macrocosm" where she's giving him directions but they're so convoluted he replies: "Who designed this ship anyway?"And I totally ignore Janeway getting lost on her own ship. That's just pot roast.
I also found that to be stupid. Deck 15 is tiny. And Janeway can sleepwalk that ship. She wouldn't get lost.
I totally agree with that. It doesn't make sense that they'd still be under-performing after six years. Plus, after being told you're a loser for six years, is a field trip and an attaboy from the captain really going to make that much difference?
I liked Harren. I don't mean I liked the character like I would want to hang out with him, but it was neat to see someone who thought they were intellectually superior to everyone else, including the captain. Just shook things up a little.
That's the fault of Chakotay.
The First Officer is responsable for the crew, their duties & their performance not the captain. If these 3 crewmen were allowed to skate by for 6 years, then it's his fault for not retraining them and bringing it to her attention sooner.
I loved "The Good Shepard", but then again, I love the burnt pot roast "joke".
I REALLY love the part where she rolls
her eyes after Tal Cels' countdown! 
I REALLY love the part where she rolls
her eyes after Tal Cels' countdown!
^ That was a funny moment. (the countdown...the pot roast, not so much)
It's funny. I don't even like pot roast in real life. It's just something I can't get excited about--I'm just not into meat and potatoes food. What am I missing?
I dunno! LOL, must just be an acquired taste. I don't think you're missing much.
I'm struggling to find a way to say "I just love giant hunks of meat" without sounding crass, but it's proving difficult.
So: I just love giant hunks of slow-cooked meat.
My hubby doesn't like meat n' potatoes, either. He prefers stuff to be in some kind of... configuration. Like pasta or burgers or something.
I'm struggling to find a way to say "I just love giant hunks of meat" without sounding crass, but it's proving difficult.
So: I just love giant hunks of slow-cooked meat.
My hubby doesn't like meat n' potatoes, either. He prefers stuff to be in some kind of... configuration. Like pasta or burgers or something.
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