That's really poorly explained then. Because the impression the movie gives is that this fleet was built here and hiding in secret. Thousands of ships with tens of thousands crewing them and more building them for a generation with Palapatine just hanging around for 30 years orchestrating it all.
That doesn't mean we should abandon all expectations of sensical storytelling.
People were already criticizing TROS in 2005? Damn!
Yes. It was known as ROTS then.People were already criticizing TROS in 2005? Damn!
True. Like many pulpy things the practical aspects are not really important. Like Hydra's massive bases, the Bat Cave's construction but still being a secret.
And despite that it melds together quite well and doesn't leave you with the same nagging questions. Took them 20 years to build the Death Star and solidify the Empire. OK, fine. They pull a hidden Sith fleet out of nowhere after hiding it in secret for 30 years. Not buying it so much.
Who didn't notice it? Again, that's on them. They rushed the script, the movies, they didn't plan a trilogy and ditched the plans that were offered in order to make a quick buck.
Left me with several.
The "not to be taken literally" theory is the only way anything about that sequence makes sense. TROS is the biggest convoluted mess of any Star Wars ever, either under Lucas and Fox or in the Disney Era. It's awful we need to confab online with fellow fans to explain stuff that a few seconds of explanation and context added to the film would have helped solve. Episode IX is not a very good movie.
Strangely enough like many other things, Star Trek did the "villain takes over galaxy after destroying galactic capital" bit first. The PC game Star Trek Judgment Rites (you can still buy this on Steam) opens with the USS Alexander from the future coming back in time and warning Kirk that the Federation will be completely destroyed. Kirk and the Enterprise then stop villain Dr. Bredell from using a superweapon that will destroy Earth (thus leading to the destroyed Federation in the now-averted timeline).All true, but, in fairness to Abrams, the supposed final Episode (yeah, right) pretty much requires an epic conclusion, not the random low-key quest that was the initial Ep. IX idea, and Johnson left him zilch to work with. IMO, while resetting the galaxy to the OT status quo for TFA was the ST's single worst overall story decision, Johnson beginning TLJ with "Starkiller Base just got destroyed... so the First Order now dominates the galaxy!" is the single worst story point. It's every bit as nonsensical as anything about the Final Order fleet, and, while it may be less flashy, due to its position in the narrative, it's far more damaging.
How do you not end up there with everything from TFA about how destroying Hosnian Prime shatters the Republic, and the backstory about how the Republic had demilitarized so that its entire tiny fleet was in port above the capital?
Even earlier if the Ahsoka novel is any indication.
Johnson was working off of what he was handed by TFA. In TFA, the Republic is wiped out in one swoop. Yes, it's nonsense, but that's meant to be our takeaway.All true, but, in fairness to Abrams, the supposed final Episode (yeah, right) pretty much requires an epic conclusion, not the random low-key quest that was the initial Ep. IX idea, and Johnson left him zilch to work with. IMO, while resetting the galaxy to the OT status quo for TFA was the ST's single worst overall story decision, Johnson beginning TLJ with "Starkiller Base just got destroyed... so the First Order now dominates the galaxy!" is the single worst story point. It's every bit as nonsensical as anything about the Final Order fleet, and, while it may be less flashy, due to its position in the narrative, it's far more damaging.
100%. I try to avoid talking about that abomination, but my takeaway is that it's not just the worst Star Wars movie by a country mile, it's literally one of the worst out of any movie I've ever seen. Just stunningly incompetent, like batman & robin level inept.
