Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Not trying to be critical of Benjamin Bratt, but there wasn't really anything Emmy worthy about his performance. Likewise, as much as I like Varada Sethu, her role in S2 of Andor was relatively small and doesn't really merit an Emmy either.
Oh, I was hoping the full video would be released. There was a news story that pulled someone of Gilroy's comments from it, which is the only reason I even knew Colbert had done a long interview with him. Colbert is an excellent interviewer so I'm looking forward to watching it when I have the chance.
I mean, I don't really pay attention to awards anyway.If Genevieve O'Reilly and/or Stellan don't get Emmy nominations for Season 2 of Andor then the Academy just needs to shut down and forget trying to award excellence.
According to Screen Crush, he mentioned Yavin to see if there was any indication Lonni knew about it (and thus, others in the ISB might, also). His confused, blustering response satisfactorily answered that in the negative.
Yeah, I can agree with that. I'm more invested in seeing Stellan Skarsgård, Genevieve O’Reilly, and Elizabeth Dulau getting nominated and maybe even winning, although I'm willing to admit that Dulau is a long shot for even nomination.
My Andor S2 review: overall, I think this season, while great, isn't quite as strong as S1, because it lacks an overall character arc like Andor growing from a self-interested rogue into a militant rebel. As fantastic as all the S2 characters are, the only real additions to the cast are Krennic, Bail Organa, and Draven, none of whom have arcs, or do anything particularly surprising. (Organa at most has a tiny arc of coming to respect Cassian.) As wonderful and terrifying as Ben Mendelsohn's cameos are, for instance, it's a shame we really only see him in one mode.
I'm glad that Luthen didn't turn out to be a full-fledged Jedi, but while the flashbacks were nice, I was disappointed we didn't get any explanation for why he's an antiquities expert beyond he's apparently self-taught. I think having him be a former librarian/archivist at the Jedi Temple would have been ideal, and would have nicely justified his S1 line to Cassian about a Kyber crystal being profoundly meaningful to him. Or maybe he was a university academic who'd somehow become a random grunt by the time he met Kleya? It's frustrating the show doesn't say, and, given he never even mentions the Force (IIRC), that line now feels like an unfair tease.
It's also odd that we don't see Mothma's family's reaction to her speech, nor does she even mention them during or after her escape. There's that glimpse of her husband at the end, but how did they avoid execution? It doesn't seem in character for the Empire to simply leave them alone.
The season's first three episodes should probably have been condensed to two, especially since there's no payoff to the theft of the TIE fighter, Mothma's daughter's marriage, or Luthen's execution of her old flame. It's also jarring to go from the squabbling Yavin guerillas to the professional and bustling base after the time jump; its development easily have been an excellent third chapter.
All in all, an excellent season, but not quite the masterpiece of S1. In closing, I'd like to repeat what I said about that season, and apply it to the show as a whole:
S1 Grade: A-
S2 Grade: B+
Overall Grade: A-
(Rogue One Grade: B-)
I'm glad that Luthen didn't turn out to be a full-fledged Jedi, but while the flashbacks were nice, I was disappointed we didn't get any explanation for why he's an antiquities expert beyond he's apparently self-taught. I think having him be a former librarian/archivist at the Jedi Temple would have been ideal, and would have nicely justified his S1 line to Cassian about a Kyber crystal being profoundly meaningful to him. Or maybe he was a university academic who'd somehow become a random grunt by the time he met Kleya? It's frustrating the show doesn't say, and, given he never even mentions the Force (IIRC), that line now feels like an unfair tease.
It's also odd that we don't see Mothma's family's reaction to her speech, nor does she even mention them during or after her escape. There's that glimpse of her husband at the end, but how did they avoid execution? It doesn't seem in character for the Empire to simply leave them alone.
The season's first three episodes should probably have been condensed to two, especially since there's no payoff to the theft of the TIE fighter, Mothma's daughter's marriage, or Luthen's execution of her old flame. It's also jarring to go from the squabbling Yavin guerillas to the professional and bustling base after the time jump; its development easily have been an excellent third chapter.
All in all, an excellent season, but not quite the masterpiece of S1. In closing, I'd like to repeat what I said about that season, and apply it to the show as a whole:
Ever since The Last Jedi came out, some of its admirers have made the maddening argument that its detractors "just don't want anything new with Star Wars." I always found this argument both laughable and noxious - laughable, given how many plot beats, thematic elements, character turns, and visuals TLJ borrowed from Empire/RotJ, and noxious, in that it was generally made in bad faith. Just because critics of TLJ didn't think the penultimate/eighth entry in a nine-film saga was the right project to undercut the previous movie's setups and experiment with Stars Wars' tone didn't mean they never wanted anything new from the franchise; they might have simply thought that such variety would more properly appear elsewhere.
Well, now we have Andor, and, IMO, it's a helluva lot more of a departure from classic Star Wars than TLJ was. [...] So, while I haven't seen the animated shows, or read any of the new continuity books, I feel confident in saying Andor is the greatest Star Wars story since the Thrawn Trilogy, and its best screen story since The Empire Strikes Back. For this, I offer Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy sincere congratulations; they finally made something not just decent, but excellent.
S1 Grade: A-
S2 Grade: B+
Overall Grade: A-
(Rogue One Grade: B-)
Little (very) late to the party. Just 4 episodes in and thoroughly enjoying it so far.
The only other new SW content I watched to completion recently was Andor S1. Everything else has either been a pass, or one / two episodes before tapping out.
Just give these guys the keys and keep making grown-up Star Wars - please.
The only other new SW content I watched to completion recently was Andor S1. Everything else has either been a pass, or one / two episodes before tapping out.
Just give these guys the keys and keep making grown-up Star Wars - please.
I don't think, therefore they not am.
Agreed, those three deserve a nomination at the very least.
Rogue One was always a solid film, but the first two thirds were, IMO, a bit overrated and stiff on first viewing (with the Battle of Scarif saving the film). Andor was a more refined and deliberate passion project.
The Last Jedi had passion and personality to it (with brilliant visual flare) and it had a surprisingly smart script on rewatch (just a shame the ST was not much more than the sum of of its parts so-far).
And we had the Imperials lose abjectedly yet again anyway by The Rise Of Skywalker (and we see why indirectly through Andor).
The Last Jedi had passion and personality to it (with brilliant visual flare) and it had a surprisingly smart script on rewatch (just a shame the ST was not much more than the sum of of its parts so-far).
And we had the Imperials lose abjectedly yet again anyway by The Rise Of Skywalker (and we see why indirectly through Andor).
And you normally have to go to Abrams for that!
I'm sure Perrin and Leida's safety is dependant on allowing themselves to be wheeled out at regular intervals to tarnish Mon's reputation.
"I still remember what my mother said at my wedding."
"Oh my wife was betraying the Empire for years, and betraying me, going behind my back to hook up with her former boyfriend."
It's probably a situation where they're worth more to the Empire alive than dead.
Also Major Partagaz's suicide felt surprisingly sad and you wonder if he went through with it because he almost got won over by the recorded speech from that now years dead Rebel revolutionary (and was not just because of loss of face Imperial Japanese style). He was very likely an "old dog" of the military or police from the late Republic era (so perhaps not fully convinced by Palpatine or his New Order, and likely learned and far sighted enough to realise it was all going to inevitably collapse).
The daughter is probably some way protected by being married into a powerful family.
I got the feeling from that jaded look on Perrin that he is now living some kind of lie. Probably fallen back on his persona of the flamboyant and harmless drunk.
I totally read Luthen's line in Stellan's voice.
Garak: Luthen, I did it! After weeks of torture, Moff Tarkin told me--It's interesting because I've been pondering how cool a Luthen/Garak team-up would be.
Assuming they didn't kill each other of course
Luthen: What? What did he tell you? The locations of Imperial superweapons? Where the Inquisitors are? Where the Emperor's rumored fleet of planet-destroying star destroyers is at?
Garak: Moff Tarkin told me he saw five lights! I told you the Madred method would work! Admittedly he broke down into hysterical sobbing/laughter and hadn't been able to say anything coherent since, but at least I broke him!
Luthen:
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