Spoilers Andor - Season 2

[Yistaan]

The big controversy about Obi-Wan not killing Vader at the end of the Kenobi show might fit in here. Obi-Wan immediately regretted not killing Vader when he had the chance and decided to weaponize Luke to do so with a lie about Vader killing Anakin. It's basically where Obi-Wan basically goes all Luthen Rael

 

[Crazyewok]

Seeing and Kreenic was adamant that the Ghorman false flag operation was not to leave that room makes me suspect Syrils "reward" for helping the ISB won't be a permanent job but a blaster bolt to the back.
No loose ends and all.

He is simply a useful idiot to be used and discarded.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seeing and Kreenic was adamant that the Ghorman false flag operation was not to leave that room makes me suspect Syrils "reward" for helping the ISB won't be a permanent job but a blaster bolt to the back.
No loose ends and all.

Probably delivered by Dedra.

 

[Crazyewok]

The reason being you play with facists then don't be suprised if like typical facists they turn on you when you become inconvenient.

Syrils an naive idiot playing way outside his league.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The reason being you play with facists then don't be suprised if like typical facists they turn on you when you become inconvenient.

Syrils an naive idiot playing way outside his league.

His mom is proud though. Maybe Dedra will send flowers.

 

[fireproof78]

The Jedi are never "all good" and the Sith are never "all bad." Even in the original trilogy, the main, "evil" Sith became good. And the all-good hero flirted with darkness.

All good/all bad all the time isn't a story. It's crap.

And, guess what, Star Wars isn't just three movies anymore. So shackling yourself to the same Manichean binary is going to get even more boring and more predictable right quick.

I was just talking about one story not a franchise.

 

[fireproof78]

Seeing and Kreenic was adamant that the Ghorman false flag operation was not to leave that room makes me suspect Syrils "reward" for helping the ISB won't be a permanent job but a blaster bolt to the back.
No loose ends and all.

He is simply a useful idiot to be used and discarded.

Oh, so he and Cassian have something in common then.

 

[JD]

I don't think many have mentioned that Bail's Senatorial status is wonky in this timeframe with Leia canonically taking his place as Senator around this time. I assume Leia's not going to actually appear in Andor and it's possible that the isolated timeframes of each in-universe year allows Andor to dodge the topic of an inexperienced teen being a galactic senator (for example it's not even mentioned in regards to Mon Mothma's background despite a similar backstory), but that sort of SW wackiness where teens are planetary rulers and senators clashes with Andor's more grounded tone and I'm wondering if it will be mentioned or ignored.

Leia was the full on Senator? I thought she was just Bail's aid or something along those lines.

Enjoying the show for the most part. Just missing the parts that are subtitles. I wish everyone would speak English or Spanish instead of a made-up language that has to be translated and read.

I'm glad they don't, one of my biggest pet peeves is when we're in another country or in the case of something like Star Wars another planet, where people wouldn't be speaking English, but yet everyone is speaking flawless unaccented English. I loved that the Klingon scene in the early episode of Discovery were all done in subtitles Klingon.

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Seeing and Kreenic was adamant that the Ghorman false flag operation was not to leave that room makes me suspect Syrils "reward" for helping the ISB won't be a permanent job but a blaster bolt to the back.
No loose ends and all.

He is simply a useful idiot to be used and discarded.

I don't know if they'll go that far, but whatever happens I don't see it ending well for Syril.

One thing I think a lot of people forget about the Jedi is that they're basically monks, and I'm pretty sure there are religious orders that bring followers in as kids. And when it comes to the Jedi taking kids to train them, I'm pretty sure the parents are given the option to say no, it's like they're going in and kidnapping the kids or killing the parents. It's also worth keeping in mind that the two situations where saw older kids recruited to be Jedi, Anakin and Osha, did not end well, so maybe starting them young is not such a horrible idea.

 

[thribs]

I like how Ghorman is basically the French resistance. I feel like I’m watching ‘Allo ‘Allo during those scenes.

 

[cooleddie74]

The whole Ghorman resistance feels like the Maquis of occupied France in 1944. Which is an indirect Trek reference!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Needed more La Marseilles and La Vie en rose.

 

[thribs]

I'm still a bit confused what the Saw story is all about. Are we just seeing bits and pieces of how his group fails?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm still a bit confused what the Saw story is all about. Are we just seeing bits and pieces of how his group fails?

Dark underbelly of rebellions and revolution. Fanaticism.

 

[cooleddie74]

Saw's always been on edge if not over it. Even in more family-friendly animation he's engaging in heated yelling matches with other Rebel leaders and being rendered unable to breathe normally thanks to genocidal chemicals used by the Empire to exterminate the Geonosian race.

 

[thribs]

I did think we were going to get a Fallen Order reference during Saw's speech about Kashyyyk. I don't recall them being naked there though.

 

[JD]

The StarWars.com articles are up or updated for arc 2
Costumes (upated)
https://www.starwars.com/news/andor-season-2-costume-design
Worlds (upated)
https://www.starwars.com/news/andor-season-2-world-building-production-design-feature
Cast (updated)
https://www.starwars.com/news/andor-cast-interview
Trivia (new)
https://www.starwars.com/news/andor-trivia-guide-week-2

 

[Crewman6]

Seeing and Kreenic was adamant that the Ghorman false flag operation was not to leave that room makes me suspect Syrils "reward" for helping the ISB won't be a permanent job but a blaster bolt to the back.
No loose ends and all.

He is simply a useful idiot to be used and discarded.

There's literally no reason to kill Syril at all.

He's being kept in the dark about the depth of the Ghorman operation, but is loyally and effectively doing his job. He's loyal to the Empire and to Dedra both.

There's zero reason for the Empire to clean up "loose ends." Syril can remain in the dark, it's no skin of the Empire's nose and, even if there was a danger he'd, what, flip and leak info, there's not a thing he could do to hurt the Empire's efforts.

All he knows is that the Empire is (from their point of view, rightly) keeping tabs on a rebel cell. Big whoop. What "secret" could he possibly spill that would damage the Empire in any way?

Besides, Dedra, cold as she is, isn't going to just have her boyfriend whacked for no reason.

 

[Crewman6]

Needed more La Marseilles and La Vie en rose.

In the next episode, Ghormans try to drown out a rendition of The Imperial March in a cafe by playing their national anthem.

 

[Crewman6]

Leia was the full on Senator? I thought she was just Bail's aid or something along those lines.

She was a senator, yes. But Andor's timeframe is still a few years away, plenty of time for Bail to step aside and let Leia take his place. Maybe they served at the same time? Each planet isn't restricted to just one senator, after all. (But I don't have a deep enough knowledge of the obscure corners of canon to know definitively.)

One thing I think a lot of people forget about the Jedi is that they're basically monks, and I'm pretty sure there are religious orders that bring followers in as kids. And when it comes to the Jedi taking kids to train them, I'm pretty sure the parents are given the option to say no,

They are indeed given the option to say no.

it's like they're going in and kidnapping the kids or killing the parents. It's also worth keeping in mind that the two situations where saw older kids recruited to be Jedi, Anakin and Osha, did not end well, so maybe starting them young is not such a horrible idea.

It remains a horrible idea, both in-universe and from a storytelling POV. One of George's weirder and worse ideas.

 

[Crazyewok]

There's literally no reason to kill Syril at all.

He's being kept in the dark about the depth of the Ghorman operation, but is loyally and effectively doing his job. He's loyal to the Empire and to Dedra both.

There's zero reason for the Empire to clean up "loose ends." Syril can remain in the dark, it's no skin of the Empire's nose and, even if there was a danger he'd, what, flip and leak info, there's not a thing he could do to hurt the Empire's efforts.

All he knows is that the Empire is (from their point of view, rightly) keeping tabs on a rebel cell. Big whoop. What "secret" could he possibly spill that would damage the Empire in any way?

Besides, Dedra, cold as she is, isn't going to just have her boyfriend whacked for no reason.

When does the empire ever need a solid reason to kill someone?

It does half the time because it can.

And I doubt the deedra giving order it will be partigaz or kreenic.

And syril doesnt know everything but he does know the isb is tasked to stir the ghorman front up which is what he is doing.

Empirevis paranoid and loyalty of syril will mean nothing.