And Star Trek V failed because...
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(Yes, the movie poster, that appears on the Soundtrack!
Like the composition, the colors, and the stylized "V".)
That is a good point about the fandance being sexist-on that level, its wrong.
Would you still say it's wrong if there were a line of dialog from Uhura, making it her idea?
Kirk says "Go climb a tree" to Kor in EOM. I think CC is suggesting that the t-shirt may have been a reference to that, though I personally doubt it.
No, I wasn't suggesting it was necessarily a reference to that particular line in "Errand of Mercy."
Go climb a tree is a well-known idiom that means "Get lost." When you see Go climb a ____, it's a natural connection to make.
In this case the _____ is a rock, which is what, you know, Kirk was climbing in the beginning. Combining the tree idiom with "rock," it would mean, get lost but you might find yourself happier if you took up mountain climbing like I did. In other words, it screams, "I'm having a mid-life crisis."
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edit: Or just what Nerys Myk said.
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I never quite agreed with the sentiment "If you look at this badly made piece of fiction from this specific angle, it's not as bad"
A good work of fiction would be enjoyable no matter in what frame of mind you watch it (within reasonable limitations).
And I don't see the need to look at TFF from a specific point of view or bend oneself over to reevaluate it more positively.
Many people (including me) consider it a bad movie, big deal. It doesn't matter who the director is or in what franchise it takes place bad movie=bad movie.
Instead of trying to enjoy a bad movie despite it's faults why not watch a good one instead?
Probably because different people enjoy different things about Star Trek, movies in general, and the way they choose to debate and discuss such things. And, some people (seemingly RARE few in the Trek fan community, unfortunately), like to creatively find the positives in the franchise rather than just bemoan the negatives.
Instead of chiming in on a thread that you should clearly have no interest in (since it's a bad movie), why not enjoy a thread you'd contribute something more constructive to instead?
See how that works?
Back in the 1970s, the "Go Climb a ..." shirts were, I wouldn't say "common", but you would see them around. Their origin? I don't know but many places used it, I've seen "Go Climb a Mountain" shirts being sold around Lassen Volcanic National Park
Why not?
I probably wouldn't recommend TFF to someone who's not a fan of TOS or the first four films. I know that I enjoy the film because of my preexisting affection for these characters and my personal inclination to see the good in Trek. You can call it "bad fiction," but that doesn't keep people like me from enjoying the many positive qualities we see in the film despite the flaws.
Besides, let's be honest. The entire motion picture industry is built upon people (and lots of them) enjoying "bad fiction." I wouldn't be the first or last person guilty of loving a "bad" movie like TFF in this world!
I don't bend over backwards, I just enjoy it for what it is.
Some people like INS, but I'm not going to accuse them of perverse thinking! They like what they like. Different people like different things. There are things I dislike, but I don't take pride in it, almost the opposite, as disliking things limits one's enjoyment of life.
I don't know, a lot of the things you mentioned have some basis in theory where a habitable planet existing at the center of the universe is basically an impossibility. It was probably the worst plot of any Trek movie (next to the Voyager in a Black Hole thing).
How many of the things I mentioned above have "some basis in theory?"
While I totally agree with you, don't make any doubt about it-there are plenty of fans who derive TREMENDOUS pleasure in disliking things. I'd argue moreso than actually liking some things. But, that's a whole other thread.
Yes, that occurred to me as I was rereading my post, but I thought if I went into detail I might end up ranting about Nazis and survivalists. It's not my aim to close down the thread.
Pretty sure it was a slogan associated with Yosemite National Park and rock climbing.
Kirk says "Go climb a tree" to Kor in EOM. I think CC is suggesting that the t-shirt may have been a reference to that, though I personally doubt it.
Genesis = advanced terraforming
Magic blood = genetically engineered blood
Black hole time travel (and other forms of time travel) are based on theory.
As far as unlikely things like Thaleron radiation or red matter are concerned, we don't know with certainty that those things (or something similar to them) can't be discovered one day. We do know however that the center of the galaxy is far too dense and active to have a habitable planet in the middle of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Physics_of_Star_Trek
Pretty sure it was a slogan associated with Yosemite National Park and rock climbing.Sorry. Still don't get it.
Kirk says "Go climb a tree" to Kor in EOM. I think CC is suggesting that the t-shirt may have been a reference to that, though I personally doubt it.
That it is.
Advanced terraforming in the form of the Genesis device is a massive stretch. Genetically engineered blood bringing people back to life is a massive stretch. Time travel through a black hole and red matter is a massive stretch.
It's also a massive stretch to think that a bizarre phenomenon or extremely powerful alien could create a calm "eye of the storm" area where a planet could exist and support life near the galactic core.
Just as much a massive stretch as any other Star Trek semi-magic. Let's not get carried away here just trying to prove a point. Star Trek has boatloads of fantastic crap. TFF is absolutely no different. That's not a deal breaker for people. If it was, the show would have died a LONG time ago.
Besides, the point being made is that this "unrealistic premise" is why the movie failed, and that's not correct. I can think of about 15 reasons that would be more obvious, realistic, and probable than someone saying "I'm not buying a ticket for that movie, because the premise of a life-sustaining planet existing near the center of the Galaxy is improbable." Thats not what 99.99% of the movie going audience looks at.
Yes, that occurred to me as I was rereading my post, but I thought if I went into detail I might end up ranting about Nazis and survivalists. It's not my aim to close down the thread.
True dat..true dat!
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