I missed that line in the movie. Where was it?
Spoilers An easy explanation for the klingon ship design in Season 1
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Exactly so.
Fan speculation and not canon
TMP offers many changes as well as TWOK and TSFS. You go from Wrist Communicators back to flip communicators. You have an entire uniform shift in TMP only to have an entire new one again in TWOK. Plus the Enterprise being completely refit only to be mothballed by TSFS.
Excelsior has transwarp drive except then it doesn't and on and on it goes. The devil is in the details when it comes to Trek. Now, I have no doubt that fans will come rushing to TMP et. al.'s defense but there's a lot of fanon explanations there, which are no more invalid than fanon explanations for DSC.
I have quibbles with some of the production design of the Abrams films, but they certainly are bright and colorful and evoke a lot of the TOS aesthetic without being the 60s aesthetic. DSC neither is nor evokes. It doesn't NEED to be or evoke the TOS or 60s aesthetics, but to claim it's more like TOS than the Abrams films is... silly, at best.
I must have missed something...who claimed that?
Can't tell if you're joking...I must have missed something...who claimed that?
In case you are serious: the previous page in this thread has exactly that.
Not seeing it.
Not to split hairs but I think the argument is more that DSC fits with TOS as well as TMP fits with TOS.
I have not seen much made about the Abrams films, other than they kept a closer to the TOS aesthetic than DSC has. That, of course, makes me laugh because the computers and bridge of the Enterprise in the Kelvin movies are often maligned as "Apple store" so it amuses me that the Kelvin films will receive praise for something often criticized.
At the risk of responding with "Ope" and sounding like a Midwesterner (which I am), I'll second that.
Wasn't it in DS9 and ENT (and countless novels, RPG soucebooks and whatnot in the 1980's)?
Still, it was again a change going forward in Trek and not backward as Discovery's do.
Even if it was a D7, that wouldn't be much of a problem. Who's to say the Second Empire didn't used this ship class or something similar before it came to an end?
Maybe L'Rell brought back this design to remind the Klingons of their glorious past.
Most of the ships looked like someone had a aneurysm while holding down the Greeble tool and just looked like really generic messy crap that you see across modern sci-fi, but the Sarcophagus ship was fantastic and I wish they sort of "Gothic'ed" out other Klingon designs while still keeping the basic shape and colour of the Klingon fleet from the other shows. (So the ships are green/grey and we get more gothic looking Bird of Preys, D7's, D5's etc)
I have no problem with making the aliens look more "alien", but there the problem with S1 is none of the ship designs aside from the Sarcophagus had any sort of recognisable Klingon aesthetic at all. Hell the "bird of prey" looked like a Nemesis era Romulan ship and the rest were just a random mess of shapes and greebles and had the colour scheme of Cardassian ships.
I strongly agree with this. It's clear from interviews and such that really.. Kurtzman and Co don't actually really like Star Trek nor are even that familiar with it aside from JJTrek and some of the Original series films. Kurtzman has said such stupid, laughable things that it's hard to tell if he's even watched other Star Trek shows or just has that general pop culture idea of Star Trek in his head where Kirk is some badass that bangs green ladies every week.
To me, the references in Discovery really scream "We skimmed Memory Alpha and the fans will cheer damn it!", it comes off completely cynical and corporate and not actually from a position of love for the franchise.
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How can someone be this wrong?
Nope, DS9 never mentioned genetic engineering in Klingons
Yeah, RPG books and novels aren't canon. I hated their fusion theory, which was even more stupid than the Augments.
Last time I checked, ENT took place before TOS.
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Bashir suggests it in "Trials and Tribble-ations"
And ENT reconciled the Klingon disparity in "Affliction"/"Divergence"... which Disco completely ignoresYeah, RPG books and novels aren't canon. I hated their fusion theory, which was even more stupid than the Augments.
Last time I checked, ENT took place before TOS.
We're not talking about the later retcons, we're talking about it in just the context of TOS and TMP.Bashir suggests it in "Trials and Tribble-ations"
And ENT reconciled the Klingon disparity in "Affliction"/"Divergence"... which Disco completely ignores
So what? Better they write their own story than hobble themselves worrying about what past series did, especially the minutia of fictional aliens.Bashir suggests it in "Trials and Tribble-ations"
And ENT reconciled the Klingon disparity in "Affliction"/"Divergence"... which Disco completely ignores
It should be ignored because it was one of the dumbest most fan ficcy stories ever told on Star Trek. They explained something that never required an explanation, TMP had more money and better make up techniques, end of story.And ENT reconciled the Klingon disparity in "Affliction"/"Divergence"... which Disco completely ignores
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