Spoilers An easy explanation for the klingon ship design in Season 1

[XCV330]

The so-called "D-7" in season 1 was actually intended to be called a Sech class, that's what it's described as in the concept art and in all materials CBS gave to Eagle Moss for their model. The problem was someone in studio got a bit overzealous about continuity and told the computer voice actress to call the ship a "D-7" not realizing a completely new design was going to be used. Eagle Moss, for their part tried to explain things by saying that particular ship was using a tractor beam salvaged from a D-7 which is why the shuttle's computer identified the ship as one, but I guess that's out the window now that the D-7 is a new design currently being built.

one fix to all of this is to say that the D7 designation had more to do with powerplant/warp core arrangement than with specifics to the hull. It's a weak arguement, but my suggestion assumes that much of what we saw on the previous "D7" in season 1 was just bling and cladding related to whatever house owned or built it. Much as we've not seen how many different Constitution class variants?

That could have meant 24 different D7 type vessels. The new government is paring down and standardizing to a previously common look while the fleet is rebuilding and repairing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh, I understand that. Even Trek has done that internally. What I'm saying is that when something is so different from the source material in practically every way, then it blurs the line between 'making adjustments' and 'starting over from scratch.' And if you're doing the latter, then it's hard to take seriously the idea that these are two totally compatible universes.

It's always been a blend of both. From the pilots to TOS to TMP to TNG and beyond.

 

[Dukhat]

It's always been a blend of both. From the pilots to TOS to TMP to TNG and beyond.

Not to this extent.

 

[fireproof78]

If one of the primary conceits of Star Trek is that it is a variation of our (read: humanity's) future than an update to the tech is expected, pure and simple.

Call it a reboot, call it a reimagining, call it what you will, but this is what Trek has done from the beginning, since TMP, and really since the pilots to "The Corbomite Maneuver."

I'm not going to sit here and expect 60s style understanding of tech dictate my contemporary show.

Not to this extent.

I know many disagree with me on this point but TMP and TWOK pretty much do this for me in comparison to TOS.

 

[Tuskin38]

Not to this extent.

TMP was very much like that

 

[Nerys Myk]

If they tell us their show is amazing and the best show ever made, would you unquestioningly believe them? Even if they intend something, they can fail miserably.

No, because I base that on watching the show. Unquestioningly believe them? Life is not that black and white. Treating it that way is unhealthy. So I hope it's just an act.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not to this extent.

Yes, starting with TMP.

 

[F. King Daniel]

TMP and TWoK were sequels, you expect technological progression in sequels. What Disco gives us is technological regression in TOS, or the idea that TOS (and the entire rest of Trek, since Pike's the only one who still uses the old fashioned viewscreen in a world of holocomms) is only part of the continuity in the broadest of strokes.

 

[Dukhat]

Ah, yes, the TMP excuse. Well, that doesn't fly. There's very little in TMP that's different from TOS that can't be explained away by the fact that several years have passed. Not so with DSC.

Edit: Ninja'd by King Daniel.

 

[Tuskin38]

TMP and TWoK were sequels, you expect technological progression in sequels. What Disco gives us is technological regression in TOS, or the idea that TOS (and the entire rest of Trek, since Pike's the only one who still uses the old fashioned viewscreen in a world of holocomms) is only part of the continuity in the broadest of strokes.

The admiral he contacted said he also uses 2D

 

[Nerys Myk]

TMP and TWoK were sequels, you expect technological progression in sequels. What Disco gives us is technological regression in TOS, or the idea that TOS (and the entire rest of Trek, since Pike's the only one who still uses the old fashioned viewscreen in a world of holocomms) is only part of the continuity in the broadest of strokes.

What technological advance explained the Klingons?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ah, yes, the TMP excuse. Well, that doesn't fly. There's very little in TMP that's different from TOS that can't be explained away by the fact that several years have passed. Not so with DSC.

Edit: Ninja'd by King Daniel.

In the real world it was because the movie was made in the 70's not the '60s. And they weren't gonna put out a product that looked like it was made over a decade prior.

 

[Dukhat]

In the real world it was because the movie was made in the 70's not the '60s. And they weren't gonna put out a product that looked like it was made over a decade prior.

Actually that's not true. Star Trek Phase II was going to look almost exactly like TOS, but when they got the larger feature film budget, they redesigned everything.

 

[Tuskin38]

Actually that's not true. Star Trek Phase II was going to look almost exactly like TOS, but when they got the larger feature film budget, they redesigned everything.

Because it wouldn’t hold up on the movie screen.

Just like the TOS asthetic wouldn’t hold up on the TV screen today.

 

[Dukhat]

Because it wouldn’t hold up on the movie screen.

That's not the point. They were ready to make a show that had a '60's aesthetic in a different era IRL.

Just like the TOS aesthetic wouldn’t hold up on the TV screen today.

The Abrams films have far more of a TOS aesthetic than DSC does, and they held up just fine.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Abrams have far more of a TOS aesthetic than DSC does, and they held up just fine.

Nope

 

[Dukhat]

Nope

At the risk of responding with "Yep" and sounding like a five-year old, I'm going to bow out of this discussion now.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Actually that's not true. Star Trek Phase II was going to look almost exactly like TOS, but when they got the larger feature film budget, they redesigned everything.

Yep, which doesn't disprove my point. Though the Phase II designs were different, just not as different as TMP

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah very TMP

 

[F. King Daniel]

What technological advance explained the Klingons?

Genetic engineering.