America's Attack on the Lemonade Stand

[Ninjacore]

So not just one individual, but the entire lot of Confederate soldiers at Fort Sumter all made bad tactical choices at the same time. That sounds like incompetence on the part of the Confederates. It also makes them sound like bullies because they apparently blame the victims instead of themselves.

A soldier follows orders, if he is told to dig and make deep pit just to do it, he will do it, his job is not to ask, why, the only thing he asks is how deep...

So you agree then that the Confederate soldiers were mindless, spineless obedient sheep, and their Confederate army leaders were incompetent. I think what's sad in all of this is that you feel the need to defend your heartfelt belief that black people are less than human.

no Union soldiers were the same, they were punished harshly for disobeying back then...I have nothing agaist black people.

 

[Awesome Possum]

So not just one individual, but the entire lot of Confederate soldiers at Fort Sumter all made bad tactical choices at the same time. That sounds like incompetence on the part of the Confederates. It also makes them sound like bullies because they apparently blame the victims instead of themselves.

A soldier follows orders, if he is told to dig and make deep pit just to do it, he will do it, his job is not to ask, why, the only thing he asks is how deep...

actually there are grounds for a soldier to refuse the orders if he doesn't believe them to be lawful though yes they have to prove sufficient grounds for the claim otherwise are court martialed for "disobeying a lawful order".

As a bunch of Germans learned after WWII, "only following orders" is not an excuse.

 

[Amaris]

An individual can make a bad tactical choice, only a zealot feels his side is infallible, they did fall for the trap Lincoln set...

So not just one individual, but the entire lot of Confederate soldiers at Fort Sumter all made bad tactical choices at the same time. That sounds like incompetence on the part of the Confederates. It also makes them sound like bullies because they apparently blame the victims instead of themselves.

Judging by how the war ended, I think that argument can genuinely be made.

I agree. Apparently, the U.S. Army was asking to be assaulted and murdered, and that it wasn't the spineless Confederate Army's fault that their leaders were cold, heartless killers.

 

[CorporalClegg]

no Union soldiers were the same, they were punished harshly for disobeying back then...I have nothing agaist black people.

That almost reads like a non sequitur.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I have nothing agaist black people.

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

 

[Ninjacore]

A soldier follows orders, if he is told to dig and make deep pit just to do it, he will do it, his job is not to ask, why, the only thing he asks is how deep...

actually there are grounds for a soldier to refuse the orders if he doesn't believe them to be lawful though yes they have to prove sufficient grounds for the claim otherwise are court martialed for "disobeying a lawful order".

As a bunch of Germans learned after WWII, "only following orders" is not an excuse.

After the ones who didn't follow orders were executed, and not the same at all, quit comparing nazis to confederates...

 

[Ninjacore]

I have nothing agaist black people.

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

 

[Amaris]

no Union soldiers were the same, they were punished harshly for disobeying back then...I have nothing agaist black people.

You have no problem with black people being slaves. You support the secession of an entire section of the country because enslaved black people were not allowed to be used as cattle.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

After the ones who didn't follow orders were executed, and not the same at all, quit comparing nazis to confederates...

Well, the Nazis by and large were better soldiers; they won more.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I have nothing agaist black people.

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

Did they drink lemonade?

 

[Awesome Possum]

I have nothing agaist black people.

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

And the right to use humans as property, a right the federal government was slowly moving towards taking away.

 

[Ninjacore]

no Union soldiers were the same, they were punished harshly for disobeying back then...I have nothing agaist black people.

You have no problem with black people being slaves. You support the secession of an entire section of the country because enslaved black people were not allowed to be used as cattle.

No I supported secession for state rights and fair tariffs.

 

[Finn]

I have nothing agaist black people.

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

Fighting for a country that didn't want to let go slavery? Yeah, anti-tranny. And the trade tariffs were resolved before the war.

 

[Ninjacore]

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

And the right to use humans as property, a right the federal government was slowly moving towards taking away.

slavery would have faded away in 50 or so years anyway, induatrial age would have happened regardless.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

When life hands you lemons, make tortured rationalizations about the motives and methods of the Confederacy.

God bless America.

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

no Union soldiers were the same, they were punished harshly for disobeying back then...I have nothing agaist black people.

You have no problem with black people being slaves. You support the secession of an entire section of the country because enslaved black people were not allowed to be used as cattle.

No I supported secession for state rights and fair tariffs.

The states' rights to keep slaves?

 

[Ninjacore]

Then why are you defending the people who fought and died to keep them as property?

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

Fighting for a country that didn't want to let go slavery? Yeah, anti-tranny. And the trade tariffs were resolved before the war.

If you call the federal gov saying shut up and deal with it solving it...

 

[Marc]

actually there are grounds for a soldier to refuse the orders if he doesn't believe them to be lawful though yes they have to prove sufficient grounds for the claim otherwise are court martialed for "disobeying a lawful order".

As a bunch of Germans learned after WWII, "only following orders" is not an excuse.

After the ones who didn't follow orders were executed, and not the same at all, quit comparing nazis to confederates...

And you completely an utterly missed the point.

it was about the ability soldiers have to refuse illegal orders and that the excuse of "following orders" doesn't provide any protection.

 

[Ninjacore]

You have no problem with black people being slaves. You support the secession of an entire section of the country because enslaved black people were not allowed to be used as cattle.

No I supported secession for state rights and fair tariffs.

The states' rights to keep slaves?

Doesn't matter what they were for or not, as i said slavery would have died out in 50 or so years anyway.

 

[Awesome Possum]

My ancestors fought against federal tyranny and unfair trade tariffs.

And the right to use humans as property, a right the federal government was slowly moving towards taking away.

slavery would have faded away in 50 or so years anyway, induatrial age would have happened regardless.

Or they could have still used slaves, just in factories instead of fields.