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AMAZING NEW PICS of the Big E getting refurbished!

Not that I get a vote, but I would be in favor of seeing the model restored to its appearance the last time it was photographed during the production of the series (whenever that occurred in season three).
IIRC, the last FX shots of the model were filmed for Season 2. All appearances of the 11-footer in season 3 were stock footage.
 
The thing is, the model has decayed over the decades, so restoring to exactly how it looked when it was last filmed could be impossible without replacing parts of it with new materials. If it comes down to a choice between preserving the original materials and replacing them with visually accurate replicas, I favor preservation. After all, there's more to history than surface appearance.

I doubt the Mona Lisa looks exactly the same today as it did when Leonardo finished painting it. A balance has to be struck between preventing the deterioration of an artwork and preserving its authentic physical history.
 
I think these pictures speak volumes.

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If someone on the restoration team could obtain any more (properly scanned) color pictures from Craig O Thompson, they could see what the ship looked like without the bright production lights.

It's weathered but much more subtly and NO hard airbrushed lines under the saucer. Just penciled lines like on the top.

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Greg Jein did a nice job of weathering on HIS Enterprise.

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I don't envy the Okudas and everyone else on the Enterprise team having to decide whether the model gets a restoration (i.e., return the model to its original appearance, using modern materials) versus a conservation effort (i.e., shore up the nacelles, touch up the paint cracks, etc.) to prevent further aging-related damage.

Thank you for this - that's exactly what we are working through. Although - no matter how many are involved - ultimately it is Smithsonian's piece.
Prepare to be inundated with questions now that you've outed yourself as a member of the committee. :cool: Also just a brief correction to my original remarks: technically speaking, I think I should have used the word renovation instead of restoration. A renovation would would use modern materials to return the model to its original appearance. But I believe that the term restoration should be used if the original appearance is restored using original materials. A small but crucial difference.

Not that I get a vote, but I would be in favor of seeing the model restored to its appearance the last time it was photographed during the production of the series (whenever that occurred in season three). Restore the model to GR's and Matt Jeffries' specifications in appearance.

Yes, and I would include finishing the port side of the ship. There's no reason not to since the ships internals can be lit up without the need for all the cables that they used in the 60's. I'd give it a new paint job too. I realize the top of the saucer is supposed to be the original paint but if this thing is going to last another 50 years, at some point it will need repainted.
Respectfully, I would strongly disagree with doing that. To do so would add detail to an artifact where that detail did not originally exist. In a way, that would be an even worse example of the kind of modifications made during the early 1990's "renovation".

And that's why I don't envy the team in charge of working on the model! You put 50 Enterprise aficionados together in a room and you're guaranteed to get 50 strong and divergent opinions on how the work should be done! :vulcan:
 
The unfinished side of the secondary hull is also utterly missing the rectangular feature on which the pennant appears, so how can you finish it to match? When you walk around the model it's really obvious that it was designed with only one "good" side.
 
If they really want to display what a "completed" ship was supposed to look like they can simply display a really nicely built Round2 1/350 TOS E next to the 11 footer as it was during the series production.
 
If they really want to display what a "completed" ship was supposed to look like they can simply display a really nicely built Round2 1/350 TOS E next to the 11 footer as it was during the series production.

Or just mothball the 1701 after scanning, then producing a perfect replica for display. In that way, the original can be protected, while the public can see a stronger model free of the deterioration and stress of a 51 year old miniature.
 
Yes, and I would include finishing the port side of the ship.
Respectfully, I would strongly disagree with doing that. To do so would add detail to an artifact where that detail did not originally exist.

True, but we know that "in universe" the port side is complete. I know it's a tough decision to make but maybe a compromise would be something that can be clipped on or somehow easily attached so that the ship looks complete but can be removed in order to preserve the original model.


The unfinished side of the secondary hull is also utterly missing the rectangular feature on which the pennant appears, so how can you finish it to match? When you walk around the model it's really obvious that it was designed with only one "good" side.

See my explanation above. I don't think it would be that difficult, considering what was done to bring the Galileo 7 back into existence. And if people really insist on keeping it "original" then may as well add all the external lighting cables that were used too.
 
If they really want to display what a "completed" ship was supposed to look like they can simply display a really nicely built Round2 1/350 TOS E next to the 11 footer as it was during the series production.

Or just mothball the 1701 after scanning, then producing a perfect replica for display. In that way, the original can be protected, while the public can see a stronger model free of the deterioration and stress of a 51 year old miniature.
Yes, that could work, but then folks wouldn't be seeing the actual filming model.
 
If they really want to display what a "completed" ship was supposed to look like they can simply display a really nicely built Round2 1/350 TOS E next to the 11 footer as it was during the series production.

Or just mothball the 1701 after scanning, then producing a perfect replica for display. In that way, the original can be protected, while the public can see a stronger model free of the deterioration and stress of a 51 year old miniature.
Yes, that could work, but then folks wouldn't be seeing the actual filming model.
Agreed. Remember, this isn't just a model of a fictional starship. It's THE model, used fifty years ago when filming the original Star Trek television series. It's the face that launched a thousand careers in astronautics and science. A thousand thousand, at that. The 11-footer is literally a priceless historical artifact of man's conquest of space.

We should no more add windows to the port side of the model than we should insert modern avionics into the National Air and Space Museum's Concorde. If we add detail to the port, we might as well have NASM paint a modern livery over the (admittedly hideous) original brown and yellow paint scheme of their Boeing 367-80 (the test article for the 707).

Restore the model to its shot-from-starboard-only appearance during the production run of the series (first, second or third season; take your pick). But please, I beg the conservators... nothing beyond that.
 
The unfinished port side should be preserved for being a feature of the real miniature, something we almost never got to see on television (we actually did get a glimpse of it in "Metamorphosis.")

It's a historical aspect of the model. If you want to see an idealized representation of the fictional ship, that's not the Smithsonian's mission.
 
The unfinished side of the secondary hull is also utterly missing the rectangular feature on which the pennant appears, so how can you finish it to match? When you walk around the model it's really obvious that it was designed with only one "good" side.

See my explanation above. I don't think it would be that difficult, considering what was done to bring the Galileo 7 back into existence. And if people really insist on keeping it "original" then may as well add all the external lighting cables that were used too.
That would be materially changing the model to be something it wasn't. The fact that the port side is blank but for holes for wires, and that there's no "trench" in the inboard starboard nacelle, and the rectangular details under the nacelle domes are only on the camera side and bottom all tell the story about how the model was used. I wish they'd left the wiring in place because that's part of its history, and could be explained on a plaque.
 
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Whatever they do, I hope they get rid of the horrid painted grid lines. Miarecki should be flogged for defacing the model like that. ;)
 
So if the port side was never meant to be shown, why's the port nacelle have the pennant and NCC-1701?
 
Not that I get a vote, but I would be in favor of seeing the model restored to its appearance the last time it was photographed during the production of the series (whenever that occurred in season three).
IIRC, the last FX shots of the model were filmed for Season 2. All appearances of the 11-footer in season 3 were stock footage.

I can think of at least one shot of the Enterprise that had to be shot in season three.... the one where it approaches the camera on a level plane and seemingly speeds up the closer it comes. Until it gets close to the camera, the right warp nacelle strut is not visible. I know it is seen at the beginning of the teaser in "Spock's Brain," and also a number of other episodes...
 
So if the port side was never meant to be shown, why's the port nacelle have the pennant and NCC-1701?

No clue why they'd have even bothered making the decal for that side, since it was essentially unfilmable.
 
Not that I get a vote, but I would be in favor of seeing the model restored to its appearance the last time it was photographed during the production of the series (whenever that occurred in season three).
IIRC, the last FX shots of the model were filmed for Season 2. All appearances of the 11-footer in season 3 were stock footage.

I can think of at least one shot of the Enterprise that had to be shot in season three.... the one where it approaches the camera on a level plane and seemingly speeds up the closer it comes. Until it gets close to the camera, the right warp nacelle strut is not visible. I know it is seen at the beginning of the teaser in "Spock's Brain," and also a number of other episodes...
It still could have been filmed during second season and not yet used.
 
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