Am I the only one who didn't like the trailer?
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So all those questions it gave you you don't want answers for... The You fail.
I wanna know why Kirk stole a vintage car and wrecked it. I wanna know how a younger Spock came to grips with his emotions (Because Vulcans don't just come with and emotional off switch they have to train and meditate to control there emotions) I want to know what Kirk did to get put on probation. This trailer did its job if you actually WATCH the thing and not look for "OH THAT'S IT TREK IS RUINED" Because as I've been stating TREK has been ruined since around first contact. JJ isn't to blame Berman and Braga were. The man's been paid to make Trek viable again because right now.. IT ISN'T WORTH THE CELLULIOD THEY MADE VOY AND ENT ON.
And I'm thirty-five and have watched TOS
KIRK BANGS ANY WOMAN HE CAN
Spock IS a conflicted character because he's NOT A PURE BLOOD VULCAN (Never has been)
Time Travel has been a plot point since TOS and it's never been handled exactly right.
Kirk has always been a brash man who did whatever he wanted Prime Directive be damned (How many times has Kirk broken the Prime Directive?)
McCoy is Sarcastic.
I see TOS Trek in that trailer and those of you who don't well then I don't know what you were watching, but that Trailer feels like trek to me.
We really need an Internet Argument bin....
Wait... There's this Shortpacked... God Bless David Wills....
http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20060405.html
- The bra. Are you kidding me? We're still stuck in those contraptions (and in one looking just like one I could pick up in J.C. Penney's today?) in the future? Bah!
I agree with Bonz. Bring on the tits!
All these years and HE'S STILL A MANWHORE.- The bra. Are you kidding me? We're still stuck in those contraptions (and in one looking just like one I could pick up in J.C. Penney's today?) in the future? Bah!
I agree with Bonz. Bring on the tits!
Well, first, you might want to relax a little bit. I'm 47, so I'e been watching "Trek" just a BIT longer than you. You get NO beanies for your "I'm 35" comment.
Secondly, this movie can't "ruin" Trek. "Generations" sucked. But "Trek" wasn't ruined. "First Contact", I enjoyed quite a bit. I liked a LOT of "Deep Space Nine" and a little bit of "Voyager". I disliked most of "Enterprise" but checked in every so often nd enjoyed the HELL out of the last season. NOTHING can "ruin" Trek. Not a bad movie. Not remastering effects. Nothing. Because the good stuff is STILL there and always will be. Regardless as to whether they never make another quality minute of "Trek".
Now, to the trailer. No, I don't give a DAMN why young Kirk is driving a three hundred year old car and apparently purposefully wrecking it. Why? Because it looks like prurient MANIPULATION. A crash/bang GEE-WHIZ moment tailor-made to make a bunch of 14-something year olds cream in their jeans with excitement. Congrats to them if they succeeded. It seems I'm in the minority here in NOT liking the trailer. Maybe the wise heads making the film are shooting for a different demographic than me. No different then all the boobie-girls who littered most of "Enterprise"--planted there to try to entice the kiddies. Now, I like boobies as much as the next guy but boobies AIN'T what I was looking for when I tuned into "Trek". Plus I resented the obvious manipulation. Just like I resented the obvious manipulation with the kiddie-Kirk car-crash scene. Maybe there IS a very good reason for it. Maybe it is a masterful sequence which will establish a new standard for film-making for generations (no pun intended) to come. I HOPE so. I'd LIKE for it to. You se, I intend to see the film. I intend to keep as open mind as I can. BUT I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I SAW THERE and I felt MANIPULATED.
Now, that's what story-telling is--the fine art of manipulating the audience. But it only works if the audience remains unconscious of the manipulation. That sequence in the trailer screamed "CHEESE" to me. Set up, tease, PAY-OFF LINE--"My name is JAMES TIBERIUS KIRK". *yawn* Three hundred years in the future, crashing a corvette in an apparent joy-ride. Please . . .
I don't like the LOOK of the new bridge very much. If anything, it looks LESS real to me than any previous incarnations in "Trek". It LOOKS like a set to my eyes and NOT a reasonable extrapolation of the future. It looks less like a re-imaginging of "Trek" than it does a parody of it (ala Galaxy Quest). I don't think I'm the only one who has had this response.
The ship itself--"Dude! Let's put some bitchin' PIPES on the nacelles. The kids'll LOVE it!" Again--cheap and manipulative. This incarnation isn't an example of anyone attempting to update The Enterprise or make it more palatable to the screen. It's an effort to hang some bells and whistles on it to make the kids gasp, "AWESOME!" Fair enough. Like I said, I feel less and less like I'm the target audience for this film. Maybe at some point they'll have young Jimmy Kirk do some righteous skateboardin' too. I'm sure some of the target demographic would eat up that crap as well. It's a legitimate as anything. The film-makers are looking for a new audience--a younger audience. They're NOT looking for me. That's likely why I'm not seeing stuff I like here. And, it's as legitimate as anything. It's as legitimate as my opinion.
Which leads to my opinion. It neither makes the trailer good or bad. I didn't enjoy it much. It didn't excite me. It made me want to see the film less. So what? That was MY reaction to it. As I've suggested--I don't think I'M in the target audience. No wonder there's not a lot there for me to like.
Does all this make me an old fart and curmudgeon? Could be. Could also be that I've been watching movies since the 1960's and I need a more deft hand from the director and less obvious manipulation from a film to feel intrigued and want to watch it. Aestheticly, what I've seen from the "re-boot" of "Trek" doesn't appeal to me much. The sequences I saw in the trailer didn't excite me--and I found the moody angst tone of the Kirk character (as much as it appears here) to be tedious--NEVER seen that type of character before, have we? Maybe he will hook up with some cadet named "Heather" and together they will plot to blow up ALL the Starfleet Academies--everywhere. Or, at least pretend they did.
What I saw of the Spock character didn't move me much either way. I wasn't put off and I wasn't particularly intrigued. The dichotomy between emotion and and logic is what they've been playing with Spock since the 1960's. The arc developed nicely, from Spock's struggle to control his emotions in TOS, to his rejection of Total Logic in "The Motion Picture" when he realized V'ger's inability to understand/appreciate/experience emotion was a fatal flaw, to "Undiscovered Country" when he told Valeris that Logic was just the "beginning".
One line, from McCoy's character. Nothing to draw any inpression from there at all. None. One line from Scotty's character though, worried me. The DE-Evolution of the Montgomery Scott character is one of the great tragedies of "Star Trek" in my opinion. He went from a tough-as-nails, by- the-book hard-ass in the early series to little more than comic-relief in the later movies. "The Next Generation" episode "Relics" connived that his reputation as a "miracle-worker" was totally undeserved and built on years of active deceit on his part. Thus came the complete unraveling of a previously interesting character. I WAS hoping that the Scott character might be reinvigorated in the new film but this one glimpse (and it was ONLY one glimpse so I COULD be wrong--I HOPE I am) makes it looks like this Montgomery Scott starts OUT as comic relief. Does it wreck the whole thing? Is it a deal-breaker for me? No. But it DOES disappoint. I WAS hoping for more.
If you have the impression that I'm some fan-boy, canon-head worried about how many pips the officers have on their uniforms, you're wrong. I was hoping for good things from this film. I STILL am. The cast looks decent and I recognize that this is both a continuation of the old "Star Trek" universe (as evidenced by the presence of Nimoy) as well as a new realization of the same concept. If it's good and I enjoy it--I'll be the first to cheer. Something made bigger for the sake of making it bigger, made flashier for the sake of a "gee-whiz" effect doesn't get an automatic "KEWL, DUDE!" out of me though. But, once again, I admit that the film-makers said from the start they want this movie to appeal to a NEW generation of "Trek" fans so maybe they're on the right path. Maybe it'll be a huge hit for them. As far as I'm concerned though, the more I've seen of it--the less I've liked.
Actually the TOS ent had the pipes on the nacelles.
And for someone who watched it you don't remember it very well
Scotty WAS comic relief sometimes. Looking at a bottle of alcohol and saying "It's Um Green". And the person who allowed the character of Scotty to be Unravelled? Was Doohan himself, because in his career as an actor that character had done him more harm than good. In all the movies he played Scotty a little more whimsical and goofy, oh and a by the book officer wouldn't get into a fist fight in a stations bar (the trouble with Tribbles I believe)
With McCoy the mannerisms we've seen and the ONE line we did hear are very much "Bones". He was a standoffish sarcastic character who always took his job seriously
But I can understand why you're a little apprehensive. After the past few years of what we've been handed I can see a little caution. I'm not faulting you and maybe I did jump the gun a bit.
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Your post is well thought out, well spoken, and eminently reasonable. I say this as a huge fan of J.J. Abram's Trek project, and I do hope that this movie turns out to be highly enjoyable for you.
J.
The "pipes" I'm talking about are the big bulging whatsises on the front ends of the nacelles that look like someone said, "we need to trick these babies out with some big hunks of chrome". The original Enterprise had NOTHING like that. I don't like the look of them. Big deal. It's my cross to bear.
Scotty DID have comedic moments in the original series. One of the reasons they WERE so funny was because he was generally a pretty grim guy. In those instances, it seemed an ASPECT of the character's personality rather than ALL he was about. Like I said in an earlier post RE Scotty, his comedic moments in TOS sparkled all the brighter BECAUSE he was so straight most of the time. "Trouble with Tribbles" was a flat-out comedy episode and, while I don't think the characters were wildly off kilter, I also don't believe it should be the standard by which the personalities of those character should be judged. Not sure "I, Mudd" would be a good standard either, enjoyable though it was.
McCoy, like I said, I can make no comment at all about from the trailer. Who knows?
I didn't care much for the trailer--what's the big deal? I'm LESS excited to see the film than I was before seeing the trailer. Tells me the trailer didn't do it's job--make me WANT to see the movie. Others feel differently and I say, more power to them. That's the wonderful thing about art--it's subjective. There IS no "right" or "wrong".
I didn't like the trailer either.
I see where you're coming from, and all I can say to that is I agree it is very subjective and this is the first time I've been excited about Trek since DS9 ended. I gave up trek after watching a few episodes of Voyager, I tried to sit though Enterprise, neither one of those were as good as TOS, TNG and DS9, I'm actually optimistic that this will be a decent movie. Will it be the greatest Trek experiance ever? No, but it will bring new fans to the franchise because it's being handled by people who have a proven track record of being able to appeal to the masses. It's going to piss "Hardcore" fans off, it's going to make some people made, but you can't make an omllette without breaking some eggs.
BTW You are a very intelligent poster who keeps things to his posts. I sometimes have an abusive posting style when it's not meant to be cause I slip into my KJing Character, you wouldn't believe how many people love when you act snarky towards them, as long as you're "On Stage"
I'm looking forward to this movie (so far) and will definitely see it when it comes out. That being said, I wonder how many people feel the way I do about this trailer:
I liked the images in the trailer, but am not completely in love with the trailer itself. It's definitely "Teaser 2", rather than a full trailer, so it's still next to impossible to gauge what the actual tone of the movie will be.
I'm looking forward to a full-length trailer. I wonder when we can expect that one?
I liked the images in the trailer, but am not completely in love with the trailer itself. It's definitely "Teaser 2", rather than a full trailer, so it's still next to impossible to gauge what the actual tone of the movie will be.
I'm looking forward to a full-length trailer. I wonder when we can expect that one?
I liked the new The Time Machine. Sure, it's not just like the original, and neither is this new Star Trek movie, but that's ok with me.
I appreciate your well thought out description of the reason why you didn't like the trailer, but I disagree on most of your points.
Anyway, I hope it works out well for all Trek fans!
That's always a rather nebulous motive, and in my opinion distances the character from the audience. Though it sounds rather noble which is why I think some 'hardcore Science Fiction' fans tend to prefer their characters with such abstract driving forces behind them.
Oh I liked the trailer very thrilling which is what matters of course.
Sharr
Ack! All this heated discussion over a 2 minute trailer. Maybe what people say about us Trekkies is right. Imagine this place when the actual film is released??ITS. A. TRAILER. Done by the advertising department to get butts in seats, nothing more and nothing less. Surely you must be able to realise this. For christs sake, open your eyes and see it for what it really is. A lot of you here are making more out of it than what it actually is to further your arguments. If you want to judge something, judge your backwards, naive, non 'Trek' attitudes.
Thank you.
After reading the first three pages of this thread, that skit from Saturday Night Live with William Shatner pop into my head.
I posted a transcript of that on a thread here once... let me do it againAck! All this heated discussion over a 2 minute trailer. Maybe what people say about us Trekkies is right. Imagine this place when the actual film is released??
Thank you.
After reading the first three pages of this thread, that skit from Saturday Night Live with William Shatner pop into my head.
Get A Life!
Ears.....Jon Lovitz
Charlie.....Dana Carvey
Artie.....Kevin Nealon
Emcee.....Phil Hartman
.....William Shatner
Second Emcee.....A. Whitney Brown
[ open on an exterior shot of the "Holiday Inn" with a sign reading "Welcome Trekkers." ]
[ dissolve inside ]
[ A sign on the wall reads "16th Annual Convention -- 1986" ]
Ears: Charlie! Check this out!
Charlie: [ wearing "I Grok Spock" t-shirt ] Oh, outstanding, man!
Ears: Original cast photo, right before they added Chekhov!
Charlie: Oh, how much was it?
Ears: Sixty dollars!
Charlie: Ohhh.... They got any left?
Loudspeaker: Attention Trekkers, now available in the Hamilton Room... copies of DeForest Kelley's single record, "He's Dead, Jim." Right now, in the Hamilton Room.
Artie: [ making the Vulcan "peace sign" ] Hey guys!
Charlie & Ears: Hey Artie!
Artie: How you guys doing on the trivia quiz?
Charlie: Aw, since you... hey, you got Khan's middle name?
Artie: [ smugly ] Noonian!
Charlie: Yeoman Rand's cabin number?
Artie: Y3-90!
[ Charlie and Ears snicker knowingly to each other. ]
Artie: What? Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
[ more snickers ]
Emcee: Attention! Attention! Hello everybody! Welcome to Day 4 of the 16th Annual Star Trek Convention... Well! ...here in Rye, New York. A few announcements.... Ah... first... ah... a wonderful new... ah... item has just been added to the convention. It's a program from the 1975 convention!
: Oooo! Ahhh!
Emcee: Yeah! It's a very special item, I'm sure you'll enjoy it, and it's ONLY... thirty dollars.
Secondly, we have some exciting guests at the convention today, so let me introduce them to you right now. First, we have the lovely actress Julie Cobb. Now you all remember her as Yeoman Leslie Thompson from the first ten minutes of Episode 51, "Errand of Mercy"... in which she was transformed into a cube... and crushed!
And next up is Pamela Denberg Doohan, the ex-wife of course of James "Scotty" Doohan, and ah... I understand life with the Enterprise's Chief Mechanical Officer *was* somewhat turbulent... kinda like living with a MUGATU!
Trekkies: [ geekie laughter ]
Emcee: Yeah! Well you'll all be able to meet Pamela in the Briar Wing where she'll be signing copies of her new book, "Beam Me Out Of Here"!
And finally, the man you've all been waiting for, this is his first Star Trek convention in quite a long time, I know he's thrilled to be here, Captain James Tiberius Kirk himself, / [ Shatner walks to the podium. ] Now Bill's here to field a few questions so just fire away!
Trekkies: Mr. Shatner! Mr. Shatner!
William Shatner: Alright, the first question, uh, go ahead! Charlie: Yeah! Okay, um, when you were gonna beam down to the planet, okay, for the last time in Episode 25? I was wondering, like um, w-w-what was going on with the crew in that particular....
William Shatner: Uh... Episode 25?
Charlie: Yeah!
William Shatner: Um... you gotta give me a PLOT, see, cause it's 20 years and it's a long time... a PLOT... uh....
Charlie: Yeah, Episode 25, that's where you and the crew of the Enterprise get attacked by these spores? And started acting real weird, like hippies and stuff?
William Shatner: [ smiling ] Oh oh, yeah right, I remember, okay uh... what's the question?
Charlie: Well um, I was wondering if you could settle a bet for me and my friends, okay? Um, like, when you... um, left your quarters for the last time? And you opened up your safe? Um... what was the combination?
William Shatner: [ lengthy pause, incredulous expression ] I-I-I don't know! I mean, it's been a long time! I, uh... I don't know that! Uh, okay?
Charlie: [ disappointed ] Okay! Okay!
William Shatner: Anybody? Oh, all right, go ahead! You? Go ahead! You in the funny shirt!
Artie: [ wearing Kirk uniform ] Okay! Another bet... okay... on your horse farm... alright? How many saddle-bred horses do you have?
William Shatner: Uh... 34.
Artie: Wait, wait... is that including the colt that was born earlier this week?
William Shatner: [ stunned pause ] That mare had a foal?
Artie: Tuesday!
William Shatner: Well I... guess it's 35 then!
Artie: ALL RIGHT! ALL RIGHT! [ congratulated by his friends ]
William Shatner: You know, before I answer any more questions there's something I wanted to say. Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled... y'know... hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a ! I mean, look at you, look at the way you're dressed! You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!
[ a crowd of shocked and dismayed Trekkies.... ]
I mean, how old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?
[ to "Ears" ] You, you must be almost 30... have you ever kissed a girl?
[ "Ears" hangs his head ]
I didn't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a TV show dammit, IT'S JUST A TV SHOW!
Charlie: Are- are you saying then that we should pay more attention to the movies?
William Shatner: NO!!! THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL!!! HEY, YOU GUYS ARE... THE LAMEST BUNCH... I'VE NEVER SEEN... [ walks away from podium ] I can't believe these people... I mean, I really can't understand what's....
[ Emcee argues with Shatner off-mike, shoves him, Shatner shoves back harder.... ]
Second Emcee: Uh... that was William Shatner, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, I'd like to remind you Trekkers that we have some fine refreshments from all over the galaxy... Coke, Diet Coke, Bubble Up, Orange, I believe. We....
[ Meanwhile, Emcee waves the contract in front of Shatner, who then reluctantly returns to the podium.... ]
William Shatner: Of course, that speech was a "re-creation" of the "Evil http://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86hgetalife.phtml# from um... Episode, um... [ Emcee whispers ] THIRTY-SEVEN... uhh... called... [ another whisper ] "The Enemy Within."
[ Trekkies get happy, applaud ]
William Shatner: Yuh, Yuh, so thank you... and, and... Live Long and Prosper...
[ Trekkies make Vulcan "peace sign".... ]
William Shatner: So everybody... set your phasers on stun, cause... THIS CONVENTION'S AHEAD WARP FACTOR NINE, Y'KNOW? RIGHT! ALL RIGHT! WARP FACTOR NINE!
[ fade out ]
I posted a transcript of that on a thread here once... let me do it againAfter reading the first three pages of this thread, that skit from Saturday Night Live with William Shatner pop into my head.
Get A Life!
Ears.....Jon Lovitz
Charlie.....Dana Carvey
Artie.....Kevin Nealon
Emcee.....Phil Hartman
.....William Shatner
Second Emcee.....A. Whitney Brown
[ open on an exterior shot of the "Holiday Inn" with a sign reading "Welcome Trekkers." ]
[ dissolve inside ]
[ A sign on the wall reads "16th Annual Convention -- 1986" ]
Ears: Charlie! Check this out!
Charlie: [ wearing "I Grok Spock" t-shirt ] Oh, outstanding, man!
Ears: Original cast photo, right before they added Chekhov!
Charlie: Oh, how much was it?
Ears: Sixty dollars!
Charlie: Ohhh.... They got any left?
Loudspeaker: Attention Trekkers, now available in the Hamilton Room... copies of DeForest Kelley's single record, "He's Dead, Jim." Right now, in the Hamilton Room.
Artie: [ making the Vulcan "peace sign" ] Hey guys!
Charlie & Ears: Hey Artie!
Artie: How you guys doing on the trivia quiz?
Charlie: Aw, since you... hey, you got Khan's middle name?
Artie: [ smugly ] Noonian!
Charlie: Yeoman Rand's cabin number?
Artie: Y3-90!
[ Charlie and Ears snicker knowingly to each other. ]
Artie: What? Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
[ more snickers ]
Emcee: Attention! Attention! Hello everybody! Welcome to Day 4 of the 16th Annual Star Trek Convention... Well! ...here in Rye, New York. A few announcements.... Ah... first... ah... a wonderful new... ah... item has just been added to the convention. It's a program from the 1975 convention!
: Oooo! Ahhh!
Emcee: Yeah! It's a very special item, I'm sure you'll enjoy it, and it's ONLY... thirty dollars.
Secondly, we have some exciting guests at the convention today, so let me introduce them to you right now. First, we have the lovely actress Julie Cobb. Now you all remember her as Yeoman Leslie Thompson from the first ten minutes of Episode 51, "Errand of Mercy"... in which she was transformed into a cube... and crushed!
And next up is Pamela Denberg Doohan, the ex-wife of course of James "Scotty" Doohan, and ah... I understand life with the Enterprise's Chief Mechanical Officer *was* somewhat turbulent... kinda like living with a MUGATU!
Trekkies: [ geekie laughter ]
Emcee: Yeah! Well you'll all be able to meet Pamela in the Briar Wing where she'll be signing copies of her new book, "Beam Me Out Of Here"!
And finally, the man you've all been waiting for, this is his first Star Trek convention in quite a long time, I know he's thrilled to be here, Captain James Tiberius Kirk himself, / [ Shatner walks to the podium. ] Now Bill's here to field a few questions so just fire away!
Trekkies: Mr. Shatner! Mr. Shatner!
William Shatner: Alright, the first question, uh, go ahead! Charlie: Yeah! Okay, um, when you were gonna beam down to the planet, okay, for the last time in Episode 25? I was wondering, like um, w-w-what was going on with the crew in that particular....
William Shatner: Uh... Episode 25?
Charlie: Yeah!
William Shatner: Um... you gotta give me a PLOT, see, cause it's 20 years and it's a long time... a PLOT... uh....
Charlie: Yeah, Episode 25, that's where you and the crew of the Enterprise get attacked by these spores? And started acting real weird, like hippies and stuff?
William Shatner: [ smiling ] Oh oh, yeah right, I remember, okay uh... what's the question?
Charlie: Well um, I was wondering if you could settle a bet for me and my friends, okay? Um, like, when you... um, left your quarters for the last time? And you opened up your safe? Um... what was the combination?
William Shatner: [ lengthy pause, incredulous expression ] I-I-I don't know! I mean, it's been a long time! I, uh... I don't know that! Uh, okay?
Charlie: [ disappointed ] Okay! Okay!
William Shatner: Anybody? Oh, all right, go ahead! You? Go ahead! You in the funny shirt!
Artie: [ wearing Kirk uniform ] Okay! Another bet... okay... on your horse farm... alright? How many saddle-bred horses do you have?
William Shatner: Uh... 34.
Artie: Wait, wait... is that including the colt that was born earlier this week?
William Shatner: [ stunned pause ] That mare had a foal?
Artie: Tuesday!
William Shatner: Well I... guess it's 35 then!
Artie: ALL RIGHT! ALL RIGHT! [ congratulated by his friends ]
William Shatner: You know, before I answer any more questions there's something I wanted to say. Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled... y'know... hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a ! I mean, look at you, look at the way you're dressed! You've turned an enjoyable little job, that I did as a lark for a few years, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME!
[ a crowd of shocked and dismayed Trekkies.... ]
I mean, how old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?
[ to "Ears" ] You, you must be almost 30... have you ever kissed a girl?
[ "Ears" hangs his head ]
I didn't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a TV show dammit, IT'S JUST A TV SHOW!
Charlie: Are- are you saying then that we should pay more attention to the movies?
William Shatner: NO!!! THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL!!! HEY, YOU GUYS ARE... THE LAMEST BUNCH... I'VE NEVER SEEN... [ walks away from podium ] I can't believe these people... I mean, I really can't understand what's....
[ Emcee argues with Shatner off-mike, shoves him, Shatner shoves back harder.... ]
Second Emcee: Uh... that was William Shatner, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, I'd like to remind you Trekkers that we have some fine refreshments from all over the galaxy... Coke, Diet Coke, Bubble Up, Orange, I believe. We....
[ Meanwhile, Emcee waves the contract in front of Shatner, who then reluctantly returns to the podium.... ]
William Shatner: Of course, that speech was a "re-creation" of the "Evil from um... Episode, um... [ Emcee whispers ] THIRTY-SEVEN... uhh... called... [ another whisper ] "The Enemy Within."
[ Trekkies get happy, applaud ]
William Shatner: Yuh, Yuh, so thank you... and, and... Live Long and Prosper...
[ Trekkies make Vulcan "peace sign".... ]
William Shatner: So everybody... set your phasers on stun, cause... THIS CONVENTION'S AHEAD WARP FACTOR NINE, Y'KNOW? RIGHT! ALL RIGHT! WARP FACTOR NINE!
[ fade out ]
Thank you.
It's still one of my favorites skits from SNL.
The job of the trailer was to hook people, and after been sceptical about the whole project and not liking the first shot of the new Enterprise, hook me it did.
I can't see what the naysayers are trying to illustrate. Its a film called Star Trek about the characters in Star Trek. Why the trailer shouldn't be brimming with action and characters in tricky situations I don't know. How else would a scifi action adventure film be promoted?
Replace 'Kirk drives car off cliff' with 'Kirk waits at bus stop?' I know which I'd prefer.
I can't see what the naysayers are trying to illustrate. Its a film called Star Trek about the characters in Star Trek. Why the trailer shouldn't be brimming with action and characters in tricky situations I don't know. How else would a scifi action adventure film be promoted?
Replace 'Kirk drives car off cliff' with 'Kirk waits at bus stop?' I know which I'd prefer.
He actively resists Eve McHuron when she's coming onto him in Mudd's Women. He actively resists his attraction to Janice Rand. He attampts to seduce Lenore Kiridian but only in order to get information on her father.
Those are just off the top of my head, but I know there are more, and that's not exactly banging "any woman he can". That idea is a funny pop culture cliche, and I'll laugh at jokes about it as much as the next person, but it is not really borne out by TOS itself.
Trials and Tribble-ations did it perfectly.
Amen, brother! There's been tons of bad Trek. Most of the third season of TOS is unwatchable. Doesn't make the first season any less fantastic.
Granted and I agree. It's worrisome. But I am trying to allow for the idea that the trailer may be playing up the "kewl" factor to get butts in seats. Trek has never been above that either. Keep in mind the pandering behind the introduction of the Orion Slave Girl concept (which will forever haunt Trek and the nocturnal emmissions of fanboys) in The Cage - which was a wonderful story.
I.E. a story can pander and manipulate and be smart and cerebral.
And apparently it's a bunch of daddy angst - like we haven't been beaten over the head with that in reboots after Batman Begins and Superman Returns.
We get it already. Heroes love their daddies. *sob*
Can someone write something at least a half step beyond that now? Please?
And then mind-raped her.
Sorry. But that moment of character devolution is so hideous, especially in light of how the first part of the movie did seem to resolve a lot of Spock's arc.
Still I think there's some interest in looking into the long-running fanon that Spock experimented with a more human philosophy in his youth. And isn't he the one with the daddy angst? Are they gonna double up on that, god forbid?
I disagree here. It's the best line in the trailer. It's so wildly out of context in such a flurry of quick cuts and flash that I didn't even pick it up on the first viewing, which is a terrible shame. But it gives me an inkling of hope - that the concept of space as "death and disease wrapped in darkness and silence" has made it into the film. A big problem of the Trek universe was that this concept - of space as huge, and treacherous largely because of its isolation - has long been lost and the Trek verse has become so crowded that even pitching a crew halfway across the galaxy did nothing to restore the sense of plowing through the complete unknown, all alone.
Yeah. *sigh*
The first teaser was so evocative, quiet and thoughtful, evoking the mystery and daring of space travel, I was really intrigued. I agree that this trailer is loud and flashy and manipulative - but as you say, a lot of people respond to that. And adventure has been a big part of Trek, so I can't write the project off just yet, especially with that other teaser hanging out there. That teaser was not at all designed to manipulate except in the best possible way. If the movie can weave the two together, it could be fantastic.
We can only wait and see.
Nice post Zachary. It's good to see some substance here besides It's AWESOME! and You suck!.
I thought it was pretty cool, but it still feels like sacrilege watching other actors portraying the original crew. I dunno. What makes me more skeptical than anything is that it's written by the same guys who wrote "Transformers." I'll give it a chance.
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