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Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

A thousand years I'm fine and cool with. THAT long, though? Sheesh, I know technology doesn't change much in the Star Wars universe but that would be taking things to a silly extreme.
Think of it this way: how much did technology really change between the bronze age, to the Renaissance? Not a lot, honestly, as least so far as most people's day-to-day life was concerned. A horse and cart, is a horse and cart. A starship is a starship.

I imagine it was kind of like that; there's ups and downs, golden ages and dark ages, peaks of evolution, valleys of dissolution. Some individual worlds go ultra-technological (like Umbara, Kamino, or Alderaan), some remain forever wilderness worlds, others become ecumenopoli (Coruscant, Hosnian Prime, Nar Shadaa, Taris), and some of those eventually fall into degradation (Taris, Nar Shadaa, parts of Coruscant). Twenty five millenia is ample time for many ups and down. Many things discovered, lost, re-discovered, lost again and this time for good.
However I imagine most of the galaxy just hovers somewhere around the middle. Most people's daily needs are taken care of, so the only pressure to advance is from local economics. That only seems like an alien concept to us because we're living though the most dramatic age of technological advancement in all of human history. This isn't how it's always been, nor is it sustainable forever. At a certain point, things must plateau.

Also worth keeping in mind is that the *starting* point of all of this is the establishment of an interstellar Republic, and an order of laser sword wielding knights. I mean how much more primitive could it have credibly been back then? It's not like they would have been making spaceships out of hewn timber and flint. Indeed, I suspect when it's depicted, they'll go the route of having that era be a semi-mythical golden age (Atlantis, Numenor, you get the picture.)
Sentient droids don't seem comparatively more advanced than mastering hyperspace travel; indeed you'd expect the former to come *much* sooner than the latter. If I were writing the background lore on this kind of thing; I'd say that the invention and wide adoption of droids came out of the era before hyperspace travel, when sleeper ship were used to cross the interstellar void. I can see droids being used to crew said ships, overseeing both the journey and the wellbeing of the passengers in stasis; much more reliable than heading on a trajectory, setting a timer, and hoping for the best.

Lucas even showed in the PT that the Imperial era wasn't more technologically advanced than the Republic, it was just more heavily industrialised. Everything was crude, cheap, and mass produced, rather than elegant, sophisticated and hand crafted as it had been before. Even the Death Star isn't some grand new invention; it's just taking existing technology and applying it on a massive scale. Indeed, we know from the unfinished TCW arcs that there used to be a bunch of kyber powered super-weapons kicking around, and from what we saw of the one on Malachor; the Death Star was a crude, overblown, pale imitation. So this cycle has clearly repeated many times, and through it all, there's likely been droids.

That Huyang was made back then isn't the remarkable part; it's that he *survived* all through those ages. But then he's just one droid. For all we know he was originally just one of a thousand identical droids made my the ancient Jedi, and he's the only one left. Though, I'm sure he's hardly the only ancient droid still knocking around the galaxy.

There was that meta joke about the Huyang arriving in a Blue Box. Even the Jedi were not sure where he came from.
No doubt making a "vworp-vworp" noise as it appeared.
 
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That Huyang was made back then isn't the remarkable part; it's that he *survived* all through those ages.
That was my entire point. I struggle to believe that anything that old wouldn't have crumbled into dust. I know, fictional technology, fictional metal, handwavium, yadda yadda...
 
I'm sure he had some parts replaced here and there over the centuries. Maybe even all of them! He might not even be the same droid he was when he started out.
 
Asimov sold me on Daneel being around in Foundation and Earth for precisely this reason.

"There is no physical part of my body, sir, that has escaped replacement, not only once but many times."

he is the Ship of Theseus
 
Well he spent a thousand years mostly just on one ship dealing with younglings. The odd hair-brained pirate raid, or careless emitter matrix assembly aside, it's not exactly a high risk environment. For all we know he could have spent another thousand years powered down sealed in a vault deep beneath the Tython temple after that planet was abandoned, and wasn't rediscovered until late into the final Sith Wars. Point is he's not usually what you'd call a front-line asset so he's usually kept safe, and he's more than capable of self-repair (he is a techno-architect droid after all!) Those 75% original parts could now be made up of 75% new material, so he really could be a "Droid of Theseus".

There's also the Cohen the Barbarian factor; the older he gets, the better he gets at not dying, so one would imagine that after twenty five millennia he's very VERY good at not being destroyed beyond repair.
 
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At times it almost seems like some of the ancient technologies they've found have almost been more advanced than what we see the characters using on a regular basis, so maybe there was some kind of a big disaster or Dark Age after the last big war between the Jedi/Republic and the Sith. So if that's the case, maybe it's just that they're now getting close to being back where they were before that.
 
At times it almost seems like some of the ancient technologies they've found have almost been more advanced than what we see the characters using on a regular basis, so maybe there was some kind of a big disaster or Dark Age after the last big war between the Jedi/Republic and the Sith. So if that's the case, maybe it's just that they're now getting close to being back where they were before that.
That could be a factor, but it doesn't need to be all that dramatic. Here's a fun real world example of a piece of technology that almost everyone reading this has in their house, and how the modern version we all own is much less sophisticated than they used to be. (Seriously, even the expensive ones have the same guts, all you're paying for is a pretty shell.) Is this because there was once a golden age of toasters, made with technology and material science now lost to time? No, obviously not. It just became easier and cheaper to make them simple.

As I mentioned before, if economic pressures are what drives sophistication, then a thing will only be as sophisticated as demand requires it to be. Having a hand crafted starship made with precision by only the best shipwright artisans in the galaxy is nice and all, but it's also very very expensive and a nightmare to find spare parts for. A cheaply made starship using off-the-shelf parts may not be as good, but it's way cheaper, much easier to maintain, and probably a lot more rugged.

Again we go back to the horse & cart analogy; how much did that technology really change over the millennia before engines were invented? Not a whole lot. Some were more sophisticated than others, some were fancier than others. Certain styles went in and out of fashion. When times where good things got more elaborate and decadent, when they were bad, they got more utilitarian and simple; but it always gravitated back to more or less the same basic design for most needs. No reason why starships, droids, or landspeeders would be any different.
 
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RIP Robert Watts.

Production Supervisor, Producer, Production Manager, Second Unit or Assistant Director on many films - including working on the three Original Trilogy movies (and much much more)...

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a 28 minute video on the man - 'Robert Watts - A Life in Film' (from 2018)...

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^ Richard Marquand and Robert Watts (right) as AT-ST Drivers in Return Of The Jedi.


He was also very good in 'The Galaxy Britain Built - The British Force Behind Star Wars' documentary...

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During a recent panel at Dragon Con (via Screen Rant), Giancarlo Esposito stated Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau have a “new vision” for the Star Wars franchise likely involving fewer TV shows.

As in the MCU…Disney will figure out how to join all of these characters into one really great movie or TV show. That’s my sense of where it will go. Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau have a new vision, continuing on with a Mandalorian movie…My sense is that it’s all going to converge at one point or another and we’re going to have another set of… [a] trilogy, or more, of films.

I don't mind movies if the story(s) can be told well within such a time frame, but personally I prefer the (mini) series format.

In the end it all kinda depends on the story and character writing. Sadly often mini series are stretched thin from what volume wise could maybe have been a longer movie, that then have pacing issues and feel stretched.
However a good series like (Andor and Shogun for example) can make the overall product be so much better with a bit more time and space for characters, arcs and stories in that art form.
 
RIP Robert Watts.

Off to the next journey. I recall many film magazines from the 70s/80s having in-depth profiles of / interviews with Watts, and he always gave the impression that he was one of those talents no production would succeed without, no matter how humble he had been about his contributions.
 
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