Probably on purpose too.
All the Negative people.
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This guy is a prick, a dues-paying member of reactionary fandom.
Also: I love that he tried to take a dig at Lower Deck's animation quality by comparing it to South Park. The animation is obviously pretty tight, (and South Park's animation is deliberately stylized-- but still pretty good for what they are trying to do).
And why does he say "diverse" when he obviously means "black"? Seems a bit cowardly. Oh these Red Pills!
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I disagree.. but I was referring mainly to how it is delivered.. like the characters had too many sweet tarts, the editors got rid of natural breaths taken between each sentence.. because we are such a huge hurry to get to the next oh-so-brilliant scripted line
A character with a backstory can still be a mary sue, because we are only two episodes into this and we already know that Mariner will not only cause every problem but it will be her superior saavy, knowledge, fighting ability, awesomeness that will solve every problem. Mary sue is just a short hand that, even subconsciously, the audience knows this already, and expects the character to do this. And it is much different than Kirk and Spock.. because with those characters they can solve problems with help, or on their own, but the we can see wheells turning in their heads, we can see how they get there.. either through smarts, wit, friendships, or balanced arguments.. but with mary sues, it's just kind of expected that she will solve the problem and that we just take it as (accepted by her vague but all encompassing backstory" and that she also has nothing particularly wrong with her, no real goals aside from the very vaguest "do the right thing" type sentiments.. and
Or that could be ignoring both Kirk being expected as the hero, and Mariner's flaws.
So, no...on all counts.
So, no...on all counts.
For the early 21st century perhaps XD
That's why she keeps getting transferred and/or demoted, and her parents don't like her, and Boims doesn't wanna be her friend,... right? XD
Do you think Lara Croft, Kate Archer, or Ellen Ripley are Mary Sues?
Oh great, the Mary Sue thing again. 
Mariner is emphatically not a Mary Sue. She's got plenty of practical knowledge and experience, but she's stuck in a dead-end job because she's reckless and won't follow the rules.
She's basically the original conception of Tom Paris - street smart, but failing to live up to the expectations placed on her by her high-flying parent, always bailing her by-the-book young friend out of various scrapes.
No one ever called Tom Paris a "Mary Sue".
Mariner is emphatically not a Mary Sue. She's got plenty of practical knowledge and experience, but she's stuck in a dead-end job because she's reckless and won't follow the rules.
She's basically the original conception of Tom Paris - street smart, but failing to live up to the expectations placed on her by her high-flying parent, always bailing her by-the-book young friend out of various scrapes.
No one ever called Tom Paris a "Mary Sue".
Tom Paris definitely wasn’t a Mary Sue. I don’t think anyone would ever call him that either. Mariner is just...ugh.Oh great, the Mary Sue thing again.
Mariner is emphatically not a Mary Sue. She's got plenty of practical knowledge and experience, but she's stuck in a dead-end job because she's reckless and won't follow the rules.
She's basically the original conception of Tom Paris - street smart, but failing to live up to the expectations placed on her by her high-flying parent, always bailing her by-the-book young friend out of various scrapes.
No one ever called Tom Paris a "Mary Sue".
That's an opinion, while I don't agree with, I can accept. Mary Sue is such a trite argument.
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Luke was a Mary Sue.........
Luke was a Mary Sue.........
Don’t. Just don’t. (Not that I don’t agree with the sentiment based on some arguments of what a Mary Sue is, but a certain poster in this thread will RUN with it. And none of us have the energy for that.)
I could make that argument without hesitation. I would be quite wrong but I could find similar points to what is being made around Mariner. As a certain famous show once said "You can use logic to justify anything." So it goes with these arguments. Rather pointless, if you have me.
I general, I would say that just bring the negatives about the show without relying on trite labeling.
some Egghead just done a whole article on how 2+2=5.. so one can twist in to a pretzel (Mmmmm pretzels.. soft with cinnamon sugar...
) any poll, arguement, etc. to fit there opinion.
So the lead charater is a bit of a know it all, and is written as the person who saves the day.. thats practically EVERY main character.. just varies by degree on how the writers revolve around them..
) any poll, arguement, etc. to fit there opinion. So the lead charater is a bit of a know it all, and is written as the person who saves the day.. thats practically EVERY main character.. just varies by degree on how the writers revolve around them..
Tom Paris was hated by Chakotay and other crew members in the very first episode, and he was being rescued by other crew members a number of times in season 1. Although he was kind of cocky in his piloting ability, he didn't really come off like he thought he was better than everyone else, sticking up for Harry in the first episode and beyond.
No but he was pretty much always competent at everything so by the logic of the Internet he is a Mary Sue.
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