I'm just curious, why are you making all this noise about the mere possibility of Saavik being capable of reproducing when there is canon proof in the form of B'Elanna that it's not only possible but relatively unremarkable? When B'Elanna became pregnant, no one said 'but you're a hybrid, this shouldn't be!' It was more of 'well, we wanted kids but we weren't expecting this NOW...'
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^I would think this messageboard has seen far more geekly questions than mine. In fact, I suspect mine is par for the course.
Am I confused, or was B'Ehlanna only pregnant on the holodeck.
Greg, you are citing hybrids, and I keep saying that it's the children of hybrids that are extremely rare, not the hybrids themselves.
Am I confused, or was B'Ehlanna only pregnant on the holodeck.
Greg, you are citing hybrids, and I keep saying that it's the children of hybrids that are extremely rare, not the hybrids themselves.
B'Elanna was holo-pregnant in the Killing Game episodes in the fourth season, but she became actually pregnant about halfway through the seventh season, and there's been a major plotline about her and her daughter in the post-finale novels.
Anyway, I was just curious as to why that, on top of faster-than-light travel, superbeings fascinated by humanity, and rubber-forehead aliens, was what was bugging you the most.
Anyway, I was just curious as to why that, on top of faster-than-light travel, superbeings fascinated by humanity, and rubber-forehead aliens, was what was bugging you the most.
B'Elanna's very real pregnancy was a recurring plot thread in Voyager's seventh season, with her daughter Miral being born in the series finale. B'Elanna's efforts to protect Miral from Klingon fanatics have driven her entire arc in the post-finale novels.
But in real life, the whole idea of a human/alien hybrid is completely nonsensical, because aliens would probably have completely incompatible genetic material and cellular chemistry. As I said, if you can accept the sheer fantasy of humanoid aliens even existing, let alone being able to procreate with humans, then the fantasy of their offspring being fertile is no more implausible.
True, but in forty years of Star Trek, nobody has ever stated or worried that Spock, Deanna, and so on might be sterile. We've never seen any angst or drama on the subject, or heard any detailed scientific technobabble on how to overcome this problem. Which implies that it just isn't an issue in the Star Trek universe.
Like Christopher says, we're debating degrees of suspension of disbelief here. If we can accept that green-blooded, copper-based humanoids can mate with humans, then I can accept that Spock can get a Klingon pregnant if the plot requires it . . .
Speaking of Star Trek novels, are they limited nowadays? I don't see many at my local library anymore and the book stores seem kind of thin, too compared to days in the past. I would think with the release of this film that it would spark more interest.
Star Trek fans were among the earliest adopters of online book purchasing, and many book shop chains began cutting back on orders for ST novels as they noticed this decline in over-the-counter sales. ST novels are no longer in comic stores either, as Diamond dropped the line from their monthly orderpak.
Also, when TNG went off the air, the bookshops no longer had a highly visible ST show supporting their sales. During the days of TNG, people were buying ST novels but these people may have sinced ceased to be ST merchandise consumers.
Public libraries don't have nearly enough money to buy books any more. I've heard of some libraries that refuse to buy and circulate mass market paperbacks at all. Depending on the tastes of the library staff, and their clientele's borrowing habits, science fiction tie-ins may be high (or very low) on their buying lists. Have you tried asking your public library to buy ST novels?
Depends on the shops you went into. I predicted an increase of "Star Trek" shelf space, but many many stores totally ignored the film.
Other shops I know reduced their "Star Wars" shelves down to a minimum in the weeks before the film's premiere - and ordered in multiple copies of the "Star Trek" movie novelization, plus a generous smattering of the more recent ST titles - and did very well.
Galaxy Bookshop, in Sydney, had a veritable tower of over 50 copies of the movie novelization at their front door last May and June. (I noticed the other day they were down to about two copies, and I think they restocked at one point, plus they had standing order customers) However, the staff has now reorganized the ST shelving again and their ST section has been compressed somewhat, and moved next to "Star Wars" - to allow for their "Doctor Who" (and "Twilight") sections to be greatly expanded.
These things are cyclic. ST books don't sell as well as they did when TNG was on the air and TOS was in prime time syndication. But they are now twice as thick (or more) as they used to be and the quality of writing attracts plenty of positive reaction.
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Barnes Ignoble and Boredoms both have lots of ST novels, but only if they are in print.
True, but in forty years of Star Trek, nobody has ever stated or worried that Spock, Deanna, and so on might be sterile. We've never seen any angst or drama on the subject, or heard any detailed scientific technobabble on how to overcome this problem. Which implies that it just isn't an issue in the Star Trek universe.
Like Christopher says, we're debating degrees of suspension of disbelief here. If we can accept that green-blooded, copper-based humanoids can mate with humans, then I can accept that Spock can get a Klingon pregnant if the plot requires it . . .
Sounds good to me. I generally accept what you writers say. I like the books, so I just let you guys and gals lead.
Just because I feel like saying it, though...
What your saying is true for movies and TV shows, but in the books you usually give some sort of scientific sounding explanation. The degree of suspension of disbelief is bigger in TV and movies because of the seeing-is-believing factor. In books, suspension of disbelief is helped by supporting concepts. For instance, you can write that someone made something appear out of nothing, but when Picard sees it and wonders how he did it, then we suspend disbelief.
BTW, sorry about not knowing my 7th season VOY. I am also ignorant of ENT. Too much blowing things up and not enough puzzlement. Yeah, I'm one of those people. Sorry.
Anyhow, good stuff.
Ah, my bad. I'd hear the story about this unused plotpoint before, but I didn't realize it had ever been mentioned as a possible element of UT.
If the hybrid children are actually genetically engineered, perhpas they can be made fertile with one of the species?
Nope. Still one mass market paperback every month -- so a guarantee of 12 books a year.
I thought he meant limited printings, in that there weren't as many copies of each title floating around as there used to be. And that would be true. Not as many copies are made, sadly, many fairly recent titles fall out of print and don't get a reprint, some recent titles have huge markups on the second hand market, and the only recent "New York Times Bestseller" was the movie novelization.
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Let's hope not.
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