Alien, Predator, AvP (news)

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  1. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's not Lance Hendrickson?
     
  2. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    In the AvP films, yes, it is. Charles Bishop Weyland, of Weyland Industries. CBW was also the template for the 'Bishop' androids (who, like CBW, were played by Henriksen).

    The Prometheus films, OTOH, have Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), of Weyland Corp.

    The jury's still out on that one.

    Ridley Scott refused to acknowledge the existence of AvP, and did not take those films into account when making Prometheus and its ilk. Thus giving rise to two contradictory versions of 'Weyland' that I just mentioned (it's highly unlikely that Weyland Industries and Weyland Corp could exist in the same universe).

    OTOH, the new Predator fillm (The Predator) does contain some elements of AvP.

    So it really depends on who you believe.
     
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  3. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    I remember back when Aliens had just come out, it was said that there was an early clue that Bishop was an “artificial person” before the reveal. He and Ash, his cinematic predecessor from the first movie, both shared the same two letters in their names, “s” and “h”, which apparently stood for “synthetic human”. No idea if that theory was true or not, and subsequent synths have shot it out of the water pretty handily.
     
  4. Kai "the spy"

    Kai "the spy" Admiral Admiral

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    I mean, the big reason why AVP and Prometheus/Covenant can't be set in the same universe isn't even the two contradictory versions of Weyland, but that AVP is set in the (relative) present and shows the Xenomorphs having existed for a long time, while Covenant is set centuries from now and shows the creation of the Xenomorphs.
     
  5. Starbrow

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    Predator
    Predators
    Predator 2
    The Predator ( good action but very goofy )
    Prey.

    I seriously do not understand why they even made Prey. It's an insult to the Predator to even consider hunting this primitive natives.
     
  6. Starkers

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    I think the only thing I'd say is that the position of Predators could be fluid. I don't think there's anything to suggest it couldn't have come before AVP or even after The Predator. Maybe some of the weapons used and the particular environments some of the humans came from but even then it was made just 6 years after AVP and 8 before TP, and for all we know the Predators placed the humans in suspended animation for their journey anyway.

    I think the position of everything else is pretty much locked in though.
     
  7. Foxhot

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    There is a confirmed alphabet theory (at least until COVENANT's Walter came along). Ash Bishop Call David E F G.....
     
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  8. valkyrie013

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    Aliens question:
    Do you think, when Ripley got back to the Sulaco at the end of the movie, that she did in fact "Nuke the site from Orbit" Maybe not Hadley's Hope, since it was a smoking crater, but the original Juggernaut ship from Alien??
    I ask, because the original ship seems to be a good distance from the colony, and even if it was nuked, i doubt the ship would have been in its blast radius.
    So, the question, would Ripley have nuked the original ship.. Just to make sure?
     
  9. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    If they had enough warheads, sure. I would have, if put in a similar situation.
     
  10. Starbrow

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    She couldn't have, she would need access codes to launch something like nukes, Bishop was none combat version, so he wouldn't have it either, and everyone else was dead or incapacitated.
     
  11. Foxhot

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    Going by the novelization as well as the movie, the original derelict was sufficiently close to be obliterated along with the power plant and colony. Think Nebraska, and be of good cheer. So Ripley's plan was fulfilled eventually. The novel suggests Vasquez and Drake's smart-gunning was a probable factor in the final explosion.

    What I can't believe is that the Queen somehow managed to deposit any extra eggs onto the SULACO before getting sucked out without Ripley detecting them before hypersleep. I doubt James Cameron bought that plot point either, despite his relative politeness regarding ALIEN 3's production, or the final sound-effect during ALIENS' end credits Nor do I believe the Company planted them between sequels.
     
  12. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Commodore Commodore

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    Always thought the Chyenne going in sideways broke the teraformer machine.

    Was just thinking, 40 MT 30km is what Bishop said latter, so considerbly smaller than Nebraska.. Maybe Rhode Island :)
    And from how long Newts parents to drive to the Jugernaunt and with the dialog saying "Past the Illiyum Range" and if it was within 30 Km of the colony, they would have found it in the 20 years they were there. Just to me seems the ship was quite a way aways from the blast. But if the Novelization says it got nuked, then so be it. :)
     
  13. publiusr

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    Or a re-creation of them—-David’s version is called Praetomorph:
    https://screenrant.com/alien-real-name-not-xenomorph-dark-horse-avp/

    Remember, the Juggernaut that Kane explored in ALIEN already had eggs—not vases in it, right? So it wasn’t just that one “Deacon,” unless it morphed into a Queen.

    The Engineers may even have used humans.

    The Praetomorph seemed to have a flatter face…but that might have been an injury in trying to burst into the cockpit.

    The xenomorph’s true name
    https://screenrant.com/alien-real-name-not-xenomorph-dark-horse-avp/
     
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  14. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    There is also the implication of the 'mural' in Prometheus.
     
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    That’s likely the deacon…maybe the simplest form. For cross-over purposes….there may be a secret to the ooze…SPECIES and Venom symbiotes maybe?
     
  16. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Commodore Commodore

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    Secret of the ooze? TMNT? :p

    Well we have a series and a movie on the block, so maybe it'll clear up.. Probably nothing..
     
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  17. Vger23

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    Predator
    Predators
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    The Predator
    Predator 2
     
  18. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Admiral Moderator

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    Challenge: watch all Predator/Alien/AvP movies...in alphabetical order! :devil:
     
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  19. Turd Ferguson

    Turd Ferguson Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Ohhh... that would send my OCD into a frenzy...

    Alien
    Alien 3
    Alien: Covenant
    Alien: Resurrection
    Aliens
    AvP: Alien vs. Predator
    AvP: R - Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem
    Predator
    Predator, The
    Predator 2
    Predators
    Prey
    Prometheus

    :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:
     
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  20. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Admiral Moderator

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    I agree with your list! :hugegrin:
     
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