Alex Kurtzman: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Will Spark Debate And Adhere To Canon

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I wouldn't mind a Jane Bond movie...

OK -- Then we will need "Bond Guy" character names.

I'm talking about male names analogous the the creative "Bond Girl" character names from some of the classic Bond films, such as "Pussy Galore" in Goldfinger, "Holly Goodhead" from Moonraker, "Plenty O'Toole" from Diamonds are Forever, or the titular "Octopussy".

My suggestion for a male Bond Guy character name would be Phallus MacHugehands. He'd be Scottish.
...Or maybe an American character named Pecs Rippedabs.

 

[jaime]

Take your pick. Reflecting the diversity of Western societies would be a good start as least since the movies are still Western products but I'm happy to see more global diversity reflected, too.

I assumed you were talking about comic books...a new adaptation casting whoever it likes for solid reason would be a fun thing. Casting whoever they like in the comics also works with solid story backing it up (Jane Thor.) Simply trying it for demographic reasons gets odd...you have one 'main' version of a character, and assuming you have it as a mantle that can passed, there is no reason it cannot be anyone at all. But which demographic are you reaching out to? Will you keep passing the mantle to make sure every potential demographic gets a crack of the whip? Pretty soon there's no thinking about things like character or story, because you are juggling tokenism everywhere. Adaptations...if the story is done well, and we don't descend into stereotypes (if they cast a Black British actor as bond, please don't let them make him 'street'....he can still be half Swiss half Scots, and that's ignored most of the time anyway. Oh...and Idris Elba is too big. Adrian Lester would be my choice.) can do what they like. On the other hand, I am in the new character camp, get some good writing behind it and what difference should anything make? There will never be another superman or another Batman, flipped Iron Man and flipped Thor will eventually change back just because of the weight of the characters history....what is done with the characters next is what will decide their place in the history of the medium. Batgirl shone when she became Oracle...did she need the batsuit to start out?

 

[jaime]

Since these are commercial products, what's being reflected is the preference of the audience, and the audience today is very diverse. We're seeing so much more representation for women and different ethnic groups because those members of the audience have a hunger for it and respond eagerly to finally getting that hunger fulfilled. Wonder Woman is DC's biggest movie hit in ages. DC Super Hero Girls is their best-selling new comics title in trade paperback, even outselling Watchmen. And there's intense buzz for the Black Panther movie. You can rarely go wrong by giving an audience something it's craved for a long time but rarely gotten.

Totally. But then there's appealing to certain audiences....China....India. To the west, particularly the US, that's often token minority casting. In other parts of the planet...that's the only guy that 'represents' them on screen. It's a damned complex thing. Though sometimes I don't know why...perhaps it's become too easy to just see the politics, because the characters don't breathe so well. Say what you like about diversity or not in Bond films, but the script and the audience do t give a monkeys Bonds best mate is Colin Salmon, because a big deal is never made. Harry Potter had similar things about Ginny first boyfriend...certain audiences didn't care, certain didn't notice, but some got their knickers in a twist. You can repeat this for cursed child. Minute I saw the headlines I got a big grin on my face, because I remembered Hermiones initial description. Of course they could do that. And it's an adaptation anyway. The idiots making a noise about it were just looking for something to jump up and down over.
Me...I have yet to see anything that really represents my experience of culture...though Harry Potter is about the closest, and maybe Ultraviolet...oh...Spooks. Spooks was good.

 

[Michael]

OK -- Then we will need "Bond Guy" character names.

I'm talking about male names analogous the the creative "Bond Girl" character names from some of the classic Bond films, such as "Pussy Galore" in Goldfinger, "Holly Goodhead" from Moonraker, "Plenty O'Toole" from Diamonds are Forever, or the titular "Octopussy".

My suggestion for a male Bond Guy character name would be Phallus MacHugehands. He'd be Scottish.
...Or maybe an American character named Pecs Rippedabs.

Aren't they essentially porn actor names? So they could have names like John Long, Reese Rideout, Dave Cummings or Rod Fontana.

Oh...and Idris Elba is too big.

Too big to play Bond? Nonsense, he'd be perfect.

 

[Christopher]

OK -- Then we will need "Bond Guy" character names.

Take your pick:

http://mst3k.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Nicknames_for_Dave_Ryder

 

[jaime]

Aren't they essentially porn actor names? So they could have names like John Long, Reese Rideout, Dave Cummings or Rod Fontana.


Too big to play Bond? Nonsense, he'd be perfect.

He lacks the suaveness. Same reason I am not big on Danny Craig.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe for casual or newer fans? But if you read any of the Jim Starlin Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) stuff, nothing compares. It's one of the most important comic book runs ever. Not to mention Shazam but that's another discussion altogether.

I read those when they were new. Great stuff. And I am not a fan of the current Captain Marvel books. I like Carol fine, but the writing hasn't grabbed me. But she seems popular and Marvel is really pushing the character. Plus Mar-Vell has been dead for decades. Part of his fame comes from being and staying dead!
I will never forgive Marvel for denying the REAL original Captain Marvel his just dues.

 

[fireproof78]

I think Idris could be suave if given the challenge. He often rises to an acting challenge. He even made a muskox police chief convincing, I think he can be suave.

If not Idris, then Chiwetel Ejiofor.

 

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Chiwetel Ejiofor.

 

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[Nerys Myk]

OK -- Then we will need "Bond Guy" character names.

I'm talking about male names analogous the the creative "Bond Girl" character names from some of the classic Bond films, such as "Pussy Galore" in Goldfinger, "Holly Goodhead" from Moonraker, "Plenty O'Toole" from Diamonds are Forever, or the titular "Octopussy".

My suggestion for a male Bond Guy character name would be Phallus MacHugehands. He'd be Scottish.
...Or maybe an American character named Pecs Rippedabs.

Will Hung. Hugh Johnson.

 

[jaime]

I think Idris could be suave if given the challenge. He often rises to an acting challenge. He even made a muskox police chief convincing, I think he can be suave.

If not Idris, then Chiwetel Ejiofor.

His acting for sure. But the physical presence of him is different. I thought he was awesome in Ultraviolet. A very Bond like role. But he's too...imposing. Bond is supposed to be imposing only when he wants. He needs to blend into the casino, or pass himself off as any given cover. Elba is a rugby player physique, with, typically, a 'rougher' accent. I haven't seen him do posh or RP.

 

[Jayson1]

I think Idris could be suave if given the challenge. He often rises to an acting challenge. He even made a muskox police chief convincing, I think he can be suave.

If not Idris, then Chiwetel Ejiofor.

Chiwetel Ejiofor is who always made more sense to me. Him or Michael Fasbender are the 2 guys I would most like them to chose from. If they went for a woman I would like to see Hayley Atwell get the job. If they wanted to really shake things up how about Benicio Del Toro.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

Will Hung. Hugh Johnson.

How about Golden Showers?

Jason

 

[CorporalClegg]

You know, I don't know if there's a better representative of the utter absurdity of pro-canon nonsense than James Bond. Citing one short paragraph in a book written 64 years ago as the sole reason why a woman or person of color couldn't otherwise portray a Scottish-born, English-raised orphan who graduated from Oxford, served the Royal Navy as an officer, and became an operative of the British Secret Service is fucking stupid.

 

[BillJ]

You know, I don't know if there's a better representative of the utter absurdity of pro-canon nonsense than James Bond. Citing one short paragraph in a book written 64 years ago as the sole reason why a woman or person of color couldn't otherwise portray a Scottish-born, English-raised orphan who graduated from Oxford, served the Royal Navy as an officer, and became an operative of the British Secret Service is fucking stupid.

Winner!

Fuck canon.

 

[Jayson1]

You know, I don't know if there's a better representative of the utter absurdity of pro-canon nonsense than James Bond. Citing one short paragraph in a book written 64 years ago as the sole reason why a woman or person of color couldn't otherwise portray a Scottish-born, English-raised orphan who graduated from Oxford, served the Royal Navy as an officer, and became an operative of the British Secret Service is fucking stupid.

I don't mind a change in gender or race but it does bring up what exactly has to stay? Couldn't Bond just as easily be a American spy or how about doing the concept 100 years in the future? I think this is one of the reasons why I don't mind it if people feel the need if the character has to be a white male even if I don't agree with it. Everyone is going to have certain requirements they feel is needed to be had for something to fill like it is acurate version of the original source material.

Jason

 

[Christopher]

I don't mind a change in gender or race but it does bring up what exactly has to stay? Couldn't Bond just as easily be a American spy or how about doing the concept 100 years in the future? I think this is one of the reasons why I don't mind it if people feel the need if the character has to be a white male even if I don't agree with it. Everyone is going to have certain requirements they feel is needed to be had for something to fill like it is acurate version of the original source material.

People who think it's about the character are missing the point. It's about the audience and the actors. It's about people other than white men wanting to play iconic characters, or to see people like themselves play them, and no longer being willing to settle for being told "You don't get permission because you're not a white man." Characters are not more valuable than their audiences. The value of characters is in what they mean for their audiences, and that means that a reinterpretation that carries meaning for a given audience has value. And a different audience has no right to claim that the character belongs exclusively to them. Especially if that audience has already had a monopoly on all the cool characters for hundreds of years now and really has no business complaining about having to share their toys for a change.

(Honestly, though, I think James Bond is a terrible character. He's an embodiment of the worst aspects of masculinity and I'd be happy to see him forgotten and replaced with worthier characters. But I don't get to make that decision for other people.)

 

[jaime]

You know, I don't know if there's a better representative of the utter absurdity of pro-canon nonsense than James Bond. Citing one short paragraph in a book written 64 years ago as the sole reason why a woman or person of color couldn't otherwise portray a Scottish-born, English-raised orphan who graduated from Oxford, served the Royal Navy as an officer, and became an operative of the British Secret Service is fucking stupid.

The real question is this....is it cos the character of Bond is so great and wonderful that it needs to be opened out....or is it just because it's a popular character? Because one of those is a good reason, and one is not.
And Angelina Jolie was the best Bond in Tomb Raider and what I have seen of Salt XD...and on balance...I like Lê Femme Nikita more than Bond, cultural baggage aside.
So..is the problem that Bond should be x y z for politics, or is the problem that we need better stories or more stories about x y z type action/spy thrillers? Is it a creative choice, or a chasinga demographic choice...and if you are just about chasing a demographic, and it's about bums on seats and money...which demographic do you chase?
And that's why movie studios don't take risks with cash cows. Bums on seats and money. Daniel Craig caused enough ructions by being blonde. I can't see the Brocccolis rolling a demographic die on the cash cow till it's receipts are way down.
But Bond is Bond, and Trek is Trek, and in Trek, I usually lean towards a creative choice rather than a cash cow choice...Chekov aside....behind Treks representation choices. And I think people making creative choices for creative reasons is a v.good thing.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Take your pick:

http://mst3k.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Nicknames_for_Dave_Ryder

Ha ha!

As one fellow MSTie to another, that's exactly where I got the idea for the Bond Guy name "Phallus MacHugehands".