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News Alec Baldwin Accidentally Shoots & Kills Cinematographer, Wounds Director with Prop Gun
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Been shooting all my life.
I wouldn’t expect Baldwin to know this, but a live round has a rounded lead bullet at the front of the round.
Blanks just have the front end crimped together (with no lead projectile)
The first thing these actors should have to do is take a basic firearm handling course from a competent professional; ideally from someone who is ex military.
If you have been trained to handle firearms it is not that difficult to check the cylinder.
If you do not know how to check the cylinder, ask someone who knows.
This is basic firearm safety. If you do not know how to handle a firearm either get training, or do not handle firearms.
It’s that simple.
2 quick thing:
Honestly, I can't see an average person can understand the above gun safety with confidence that a gun is using live or dummy round. The entire incident is caused by the lack of safety management of the ENTIRE Hollywood. They see the Brandon Lee death as a 1 off, and never bother do anything to remove real gun on a set until this happen. A lousy guess would be that since this incident, no production will be using real guns.
Now on a different subject, I don't understand the civil lawsuit, at CNN, this case is settled back in 2022. See first link, so why did Gloria Allred said the lawsuit is in the earlier stage in July 2024?
variety.com
Honestly, I can't see an average person can understand the above gun safety with confidence that a gun is using live or dummy round. The entire incident is caused by the lack of safety management of the ENTIRE Hollywood. They see the Brandon Lee death as a 1 off, and never bother do anything to remove real gun on a set until this happen. A lousy guess would be that since this incident, no production will be using real guns.
Now on a different subject, I don't understand the civil lawsuit, at CNN, this case is settled back in 2022. See first link, so why did Gloria Allred said the lawsuit is in the earlier stage in July 2024?
Alec Baldwin Thanks Supporters, but Still Faces Lawsuits in ‘Rust’ Shooting
Attorney Gloria Allred vowed on Saturday to press ahead with a civil suit against Alec Baldwin on behalf of Halyna Hutchins' family.
variety.com
Surely if the "ENTIRE Hollywood" had lackadaisical gun safety then there would be far more accidental shootings?
it depends on how many % of Hollywood people such as Dwayne "The moron" Johnson uses real gun on the set. All it takes is human error w/ the right kind of circumstance
But that's my point. If entire Hollywood acts this way, why not more shootings?
Judge declines to dismiss case against 'Rust' armorer Hannah Gutierrez
A New Mexico judge has declined to dismiss the case against "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
abcnews.go.com
this is a double standard, the same evidence, Alec gets off, she doesn't
Alec's case was dismissed due to procedural errors on the part of the prosecution. Has nothing to do with the evidence for or against him.Judge declines to dismiss case against 'Rust' armorer Hannah Gutierrez
A New Mexico judge has declined to dismiss the case against "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
this is a double standard, the same evidence, Alec gets off, she doesn't
Yep, context is king here. She was persecuted precisely because she failed to do the job she was hired to do, which was to make sure the firearms were safe on set.
Halyna Hutchins’ Mother to Skip ‘Rust’ Premiere, Says Alec Baldwin “Continues to Increase My Pain”: “Halyna’s mother, who is Ukrainian, is going to attend the screening if she’s able to leave her country, but it’s not easy right now because of the war.”
Whether or not one thinks Baldwin should have been charged, inviting the victim's mom to the premiere seems remarkably tone-deaf
Whether or not one thinks Baldwin should have been charged, inviting the victim's mom to the premiere seems remarkably tone-deaf
that I absolutely agree. It would bring back bad memory for Halyna's mother. It's sad that it's a 1 2 punch for her entire family, first Halyna dies, and then her family stuck at the war
He fights back and is now suing the prosecutor
I think he should have convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
However, if the prosecution did withhold information, then the blame fallls on them. If the prosecution did mess up the case, then he (Baldwin) should be released from all charges.
The prosecution should have done a better job.
However, if the prosecution did withhold information, then the blame fallls on them. If the prosecution did mess up the case, then he (Baldwin) should be released from all charges.
The prosecution should have done a better job.
Why?
The armorer, not the actor, is supposed to ensure the guns are safe, and he was handed the gun with the declaration that it was a “cold gun.”
Read my post at the top of this page
Except there are dummy bullets used in filming that are empty cartridges with a real lead bullet, to simulate the look of a loaded revolver cylinder when seen from the front.
I believe those bullets are not lead, but wax (for safety).
I could be wrong
As I stated on the previous page, Baldwin pulled the trigger (or held it back and either pulled back the hammer, or “fanned” the hammer. It was a single action pistol. It cannot fire otherwise).
The armorer should also be charged, since she was responsible for giving him a “cold” gun.
But ultimately, Baldwin pulled the trigger, and is also responsible.
I could be wrong
As I stated on the previous page, Baldwin pulled the trigger (or held it back and either pulled back the hammer, or “fanned” the hammer. It was a single action pistol. It cannot fire otherwise).
The armorer should also be charged, since she was responsible for giving him a “cold” gun.
But ultimately, Baldwin pulled the trigger, and is also responsible.
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Rather, she was criminally negligent in her capacity as the armorer who was solely responsible for ensuring gun safety, whereas he had no such responsibility as an actor who was told the gun was “cold.”