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Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

I adored the music of this one. Veering between almost Western and open plains and eerie and ethereal but always effective.
I especially loved the music for Thrawn's arrival. Holy fuck!

One of the nightsisters was played by Claudia Black
I saw that in the comments in the io9 episode discussion. I can't believed I missed that! I clearly need to go back and watch the episode again. Damn!
 
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I think Thrawn's arrival was probably one of my favorite moments in any of the Star Wars series so far.
 
There’s only a single scene left from the trailers we haven’t seen yet, and that’s Thrawn on the bridge of the hyperspace ring.

There’s also some voice over lines in the trailers we haven’t heard yet. Some of them could be cut as they only make sense for earlier in the season.
 
This one gave us some nice insights into Baylan's mind.

I find him to be an intriguing character and I want more of him. I'm not good with the adjectives here but I find a certain gravitas, forlorn, maybe a touch of whimsy.

I can't see him being quite a Sith. He's something else. It's too bad we only get two more eps with him. RIP.
 
Trekky episode. We’ve gone to “unfindable” places before like Ahch-To and Exegol, but this is the first time Star Wars felt like it was exploring the final frontier.
 
Another fantastic episode, well paced and a welcome shift in tone and perspective. Something about it all felt like a cross between 'Willow' and 'The Dark Crystal'. I also like how well thought out this world is. Star Wars doesn't often go too deep into local cultures besides Tatooine.
Random thoughts: -
  • I presume I'm not the only one that actually wanted to hear "The History of the Galaxy Part One"? Not cool Dave. Gimme lore!
  • "One being the best of course." I feel like this is an OT fans joke . . .
  • I like how the hyperspace effect looks different at this speed. Really conveys the insane amount of distance they're travelling.
  • So the Dathomiri came from Peridea originally, settled in this galaxy and named their new home after themselves? Curious.
  • And of course the necromantically obsessed witches would come from a world encircled by an ancient star-whale graveyard. Very on-brand.
  • So Peridea looks like Dartmoor turned up to eleven and covered in giant screaming witch statues? I guess I should have seen that coming. (Fun fact: at one point the Dagobah scenes for 'Empire' were going to be shot on location on the moorlands before they settled on sticking to the soundstage. You can still find some early concept art that has this same general aesthetic.)
  • Of course there would be three witch-mothers. The Maid, the Maiden and . . . the Other One.
  • Hold the phone; I know Claudia Black's witch voice when I hear it! So this is where Morrigan suck off to after leaving Skyhold . . . kinda makes me wish they'd cast Kate Mulgrew as one of the mothers too. Also; beware of swooping.
  • "It reeks of Jedi" OK, rude. But also; if Sabine needed any further validation that she's on her true path, having a witch "smell" her Jediness should about do it. Also note, they did not react the same to Baylan & Shin.
  • So I'm interpreting this to mean that Baylan was at the temple when it fell. I'm glad they didn't inflict yet another Order 66 flashback on us (yet), but I'm still naturally curious as to how he survived.
  • Still not sure what he's after exactly. Or rather, what he expects to find out here. What does "ending the cycle" actually look like to him? Temporal power and empire building clearly doesn't interest him.
  • The Chimaera has seen better days, and how with it's retrofits actually lives up to it's name! Also seems like it has only one functioning main engine. Has it been stranded in this system this whole time, or have they actually managed to venture out into the galaxy?
  • Curious that the targeting array looks more like the ISD-IIs from 'Empire' rather than the ISD-Is from RO/ANH. Didn't get a clear look at the main weapons to see for sure which one they're going with, but they do look like the RO ones. Plus the engines sure looked like the RO/ANH version. So I think this is based on the same modified RO asset they used for the Coruscant shipyard scenes in Mando season 3.
  • No TIE Defenders? Just some standard TIE/lns & LAAT/les. Well that's a small mercy.
  • I see someone's been cultivating a nice, not at all unhealthy cult of personality.
  • Also: "Night Troopers"? That's a new one.
  • Is it weird I can recognise Wes Chatham just by how he turns around?
  • If I had to guess, I'd say Enoch was originally either one of the Red Guard, or a Death Trooper. assuming Ezra didn't kill them all on his way to the bridge.
  • At first I though his underlying helmet design was modified from an established variant (sans the gold mask & kintsugi touches, obviously), but it appears to be entirely custom. Looks like they fused a standard trooper helm with elements reminiscent of a shore/range/tank trooper's.
  • Anyone else getting serious "Lynch's 'Dune' meets Hodges 'Flash Gordon'" vibes from this lot?
  • Interesting that Kiner has switched out the analogue organ pipes for a decidedly synthy organ sound for Thrawn's intro (at least it wasn't a Hammond organ.)
  • Kinda make one wonder who these troopers have been fighting so much to need so many repairs to their armor . . .
  • Uh, anyone else noticing a total absence of any Imperial Naval officers besides Thrawn? Also techs, no droids, just troopers. That doesn't bode well.
  • Wait, a wolf creature? In a Dave Filoni show!? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
  • Oh great, a new set of glyphs to decipher. Joy.
  • Kinda funny that this thing is meant to be a wolf, but from it's cadence it's pretty obvious they had an actual horse or pony on set for Bordizzo to ride. It works though.
  • Am I crazy, or do those bandits sound like Tuskens? Are we getting to see their ancestral cousins too?
  • Oh and MacQuarrie glyphs too? This place is just glyph city!
  • Wonderful. I'm sure there's nothing at sinister and necromantic going to happen with the Nightsisters' suspiciously coffin shaped cargo from down in the catacombs. Yup. No green smoke powered zombie horde foreshadowing here!
  • Sure Sabine. You're going to send away the mount that's carrying your bedroll, provisions and water for "cowardice". That'll totally a believable threat.
  • Crab people that pretend to be rocks? OK, let's see who here chooses to make this out to be a South Park reference, and who a Frozen reference . . . Anyone? (Also; they're called "Noti")
  • There's something very Jim Henson about this whole situation, and I'm here for it!
  • "Bokken Jedi"? Curious term that feels like a pejorative; comparing Jedi not temple trained to wooden swords. I guess that term also applies to Ventress, Luke, and Rey too.
  • The more time we spend with Baylan and Shin, the less it feels like they use the dark side. Dangerously close to it for sure, but they're not driven by pure passion and there's genuine camaraderie and respect there. Something true dark siders would not be capable of.
  • The Noti caravans look like something straight out of a Mobius comic, or a Ghibli movie. Also evidence that there was once a technological civilization here. It wasn't always just witches and primitives.
  • And of course Ezra would be adotped by a tribe of peaceful nomadic crabrocks. That has Bridger written all over it.
  • So I guess the plan now is 1) rush back to the Chimaera. 2) Something exciting happens. 3) Profit?!
You can have Mara. As soon as you dump that dogshit ST and excise it from the canon!

C'mon, Disney. I triple dawg dare ya!
As much as tRoS is my least favourite Star Wars movie of all time: no. Even if it were remotely possible (it's not), I'd rather just work with what we have than try and wind back the clock.

Even then, you don't get to have that version of Mara Jade unless you fundamentally alter Luke's character and the notion of what a Jedi even is. So: still no.
Just like the prequel trilogy was never going to be excised, the sequel won't be either.

And that's fine.

Multiple shows have demonstrated how you can make them better by building up and around them.
I've found the simplest way to reconcile most of what the ST did poorly is to just presume that thing on Exogol was a deranged clone infused with the dark magiks and a memory implant from the Sith Throne itself. Just another one of many ways the Sith claw in futility at oblivion. The individual that was Palpatine was annihilated at Endor along with his physical form over Endor. Without a new Sith Lord to inherit it's knowledge, the throne instead latched onto the closest thing it could find, albeit a strandcast. Which was lucky for Rey's father as had he not already fled Exogol, it would have grabbed him instead.

This solution has the duel benefits of not having to actually change anything, and it makes sense of all the contradictions, inconsistencies, convoluted plots and half-baked plans by simply attributing them to a fractured, diseased mind.
i was curious if they were going to hint this was a galaxy the Vong have already hit or something along that line.
Thankfully Dave Filloni actually has an imagination, so we're mercifully spared a reprise of the Vong.
"Intergalactic travel within a star whale. Now I really have done it all."

(So says the droid who is a Time Lord in another universe where he did such a thing already...)

Well, I hope all of the naysayers are at last happy. Thrawn and Ezra have finally arrived. And they were both well worth the wait.

Perhaps it's just me, but the nature of a technologically-advanced group of people traveling from far (far) away to high-fantasy planet reminded me of Ursula K. Le Guin's Rocannon's World, complete with an individual traveling the desolate landscape on a local (albeit nonflying) steed in search of someone in particular.

With that in mind, in a longer season, I would've loved to have seen more of Sabine's travels in that wilderness, seeking Ezra out while experiencing mini-adventures along the way, a true epic journey not unlike Le Guin's tale. But I know that's not what this show is about and I don't hold it against it for not having any of my random imaginings (putting aside knowing that certain people would've hated such "pointless" divergences).

Either way, I greatly loved every second of this episode. From Lars Mikkelsen fully embodying Thrawn (right down to those perfect red eyes) to Sabine's internal struggle of the situation she has found herself in.

We only have two episodes left and I cannot see how this well all play out.
Definitely some heavy 80's fantasy aesthetic vibes on this one, and I agree, in a longer format that would have been a longer journey. As it stands I'm going to presume she stayed out there at least one night before finding Ezra, otherwise it feels a little too easy.
I need an action figure of Captain Enoch NOW.
I’m sure Hot Toys will be making one next year
I doubt it'll be that long. Hasbro have an event on Friday, and they'll likely be showing off the Ahsoka toys that were too spoilery to announce before now.
 
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Something about it all felt like a cross between 'Willow' and 'The Dark Crystal'.
I also thought of those, particularly Willow, but Rocannon's World really stuck to my mind since it came out well before both of them.

I presume I'm not the only one that actually wanted to hear "The History of the Galaxy Part One"? Not cool Dave. Gimme lore!
If we don't get a spin-off series of that name with Tennant narrating, then what are we even doing here?!

Still not sure what he's after exactly. Or rather, what he expects to find out here. What does "ending the cycle" actually look like to him? Temporal power and empire building clearly doesn't interest him.
I'm kind of worried about this one because it's been following the "real power" trope that's just even more power in the end, along with the "breaking the cycle" trope which inevitably just repeats the cycle. I hope Filoni has something very specific in mind with this particular thread.

Am I crazy, or do those bandits sound like Tuskens? Are we getting to see their ancestral cousins too?
I thought the exact same thing as soon as they attacked Sabine. Every planet has an aggressive nomad tribe. ;)

(Also; they're called "Noti")

There's something very Jim Henson about this whole situation, and I'm here for it!
I'm always a fan of evoking Jim Henson and the Noti definitely feel like they were ripped out of his playbook. :D

Where did you find the name Noti? I played close attention to Ezra's dialogue to learn their name and heard nothing.

The more time we spend with Baylan and Shin, the less it feels like they use the dark side. Dangerously close to it for sure, but they're not driven by pure passion and there's genuine camaraderie and respect there. Something true dark siders would not be capable of.
I've been wondering about that, too, especially considering how Baylan has specifically avoided referring to the dark side when he pushed back to Shin's elusion to her training being similar to Sabine's Jedi training.
 
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