Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[FreezeC77]

What comic is this from? Just curious- I wasn't aware of any 'Rebels' appearances in the comics, but I haven't really been keeping up since the license went back to Marvel.

When Disney got the franchise the existing comics ended and there's a main comic just called "Star Wars" put out under Marvel this was issue #28 from last year.

Depends on who you talk to, but the word 'canon' has been thrown around in regards to these comics.

 

[Crewman6]

I suspect Luke had no intention of repeating the mistakes of the old Order

Unfortunately, the Book of Boba Fett (stupidly!) tells us that Luke is perfectly fine recreating the mistakes of the old order, even though his actions specifically refuted their stupid dogma.

I blame Favreau entirely for that mind-bendingly moronic choice.

 

[Ithekro]

Post-Battle of Lothal, the Empire has lost the Seventh Fleet and their most effective grand admiral. Palpatine has lost his prize. The Rebellion has gotten control of an extensive production facility. They need to retool it, but I imagine the Incom defectors setup shop and started making X-wings and later E-wings.

Lothal is a primary target, but due to what the Empire lost there, it would require a substantial force to retake it (it actually wouldn't, but the Empire doesn't have to know that). So it likely was on Tarkin's short list for Death Star targets along with the Mon Cal Shipyards.

After the Battle of Yavin, Vader's Death Squadron is the primary force hunting rebels, but his goal is Skywalker, and Skywalker is not on Lothal.

 

[fireproof78]

Unfortunately, the Book of Boba Fett (stupidly!) tells us that Luke is perfectly fine recreating the mistakes of the old order, even though his actions specifically refuted their stupid dogma.

I blame Favreau entirely for that mind-bendingly moronic choice.

And given Ahsoka's reaction to Grogu I imagine she reinforced this attitude. Sad but true.

 

[Set Harth]

Particularly when you factor in all the other surviving Jedi that are canon, like Cal Kestis, Kanan, Ahsoka, etc.

Seems like they could have gotten at least a half-dozen truly skilled Jedi to bum rush the Sith and party over.

Sure, Palps made mince-meat of the Jedi Council that one time, but one-on-one, he and Mace were evenly matched, as were he and Yoda.

That quote is not me, it's Gaith.

 

[Crewman6]

That quote is not me, it's Gaith.

Okay, but I really wanted your opinion.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Death Star was in the large intended to be a weapon of terror. If the Rebellion had failed to destroy it, after at most a few more demonstrations like Alderaan, there would have been no choice but for the Rebellion to capitulate, to spare their home worlds. Or they could have said, "Fuck it," and just have withdrawn into space, away from all known worlds, leaving the galaxy to its fate. Lothal would have had to surrender, had the Death Star threatened it. It would have been a planet for the Empire to pick dry, the source of a population to drawn upon for slave labor,

 

[JD]

Yeah, it probably would have basically been something along the lines of nuclear weapons in the real world. Used once or twice, but then so scary that it would have been a constant threat, but never actually used again.

 

[Reverend]

ETA: For those looking for a side-by-side look at how the canon E-Wing compares to the source material: -

Honestly I'd call this a significant improvement overall. Less spindly, more substantial, no silly roof cannon or hidden astromech bay, and they even gave it an extra pair of weapons close in where the wing meets the fuselage (I'm assuming concussion missile launchers?)
It still doesn't hold a candle to the X-Wing which looks cool from any angle; the E-wing on the other hand just looks cool from a few angles. Any profile shot makes it hard to hide the vertical imbalance emphasised by the hunched back cockpit and the underslung engines, but there's nothing they could do to fix that short of a total redesign, and well then it really wouldn't be an E-Wing anymore.

I do like how small they made it though. You really get the sense that this is far less formidable than an X-Wing and more of a local security patrol/pursuit craft than a true fighter. The fact that they went to the trouble of building at least a partial full scale mock-up tells me we're probably going to see a fair amount of these in the coming years.

The Death Star was in the large intended to be a weapon of terror. If the Rebellion had failed to destroy it, after at most a few more demonstrations like Alderaan, there would have been no choice but for the Rebellion to capitulate, to spare their home worlds. Or they could have said, "Fuck it," and just have withdrawn into space, away from all known worlds, leaving the galaxy to its fate. Lothal would have had to surrender, had the Death Star threatened it. It would have been a planet for the Empire to pick dry, the source of a population to drawn upon for slave labor,

Oh I'm quite sure Palpatine had a list of planets that were getting destroyed, no matter what, with Lothal being a very late addition. Not just for having the temerity to be liberated from his rule, but out of sheer spite towards Ezra for twice preventing him from accessing Void Space. Sidious is nothing if not vindictive.

Speaking of his list; I'm sure Alderaan was on it no matter what. Same for Chandrilla for obvious reasons, Naboo because he clearly hated his homeworld on general principle (even tried to give it to Vader as his domain before he insisted on being given Mustafar instead.) Any world that was a thorn in his side but still contained useful resources like Mimban or Kashyyyk would at least be due a single reactor ignition shot to the capital.

Unfortunately, the Book of Boba Fett (stupidly!) tells us that Luke is perfectly fine recreating the mistakes of the old order, even though his actions specifically refuted their stupid dogma.

I blame Favreau entirely for that mind-bendingly moronic choice.

I must have missed the part where Luke was answering directly to the Senate . . .

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yeah, it probably would have basically been something along the lines of nuclear weapons in the real world. Used once or twice, but then so scary that it would have been a constant threat, but never actually used again.

Yeah, that's my thinking.

 

[Nerys Myk]

ETA: For those looking for a side-by-side look at how the canon E-Wing compares to the source material: -

Honestly I'd call this a significant improvement overall. Less spindly, more substantial, no silly roof cannon or hidden astromech bay, and they even gave it an extra pair of weapons close in where the wing meets the fuselage (I'm assuming concussion missile launchers?)
It still doesn't hold a candle to the X-Wing which looks cool from any angle; the E-wing on the other hand just looks cool from a few angles. Any profile shot makes it hard to hide the vertical imbalance emphasised by the hunched back cockpit and the underslung engines, but there's nothing they could do to fix that short of a total redesign, and well then it really wouldn't be an E-Wing anymore.

I do like how small they made it though. You really get the sense that this is far less formidable than an X-Wing and more of a local security patrol/pursuit craft than a true fighter. The fact that they went to the trouble of building at least a partial full scale mock-up tells me we're probably going to see a fair amount of these in the coming years.

Oh I'm quite sure Palpatine had a list of planets that were getting destroyed, no matter what, with Lothal being a very late addition. Not just for having the temerity to be liberated from his rule, but out of sheer spite towards Ezra for twice preventing him from accessing Void Space. Sidious is nothing if not vindictive.

Speaking of his list; I'm sure Alderaan was on it no matter what. Same for Chandrilla for obvious reasons, Naboo because he clearly hated his homeworld on general principle (even tried to give it to Vader as his domain before he insisted on being given Mustafar instead.) Any world that was a thorn in his side but still contained useful resources like Mimban or Kashyyyk would at least be due a single reactor ignition shot to the capital.

I must have missed the part where Luke was answering directly to the Senate . . .

Profile has a Runabout vibe. Or maybe Runabouts have a Star Wars vibe.

 

[Jedi Marso]

ETA: For those looking for a side-by-side look at how the canon E-Wing compares to the source material: -

Honestly I'd call this a significant improvement overall. Less spindly, more substantial, no silly roof cannon or hidden astromech bay, and they even gave it an extra pair of weapons close in where the wing meets the fuselage (I'm assuming concussion missile launchers?)

I also like the live action version of this fighter better. I've been trying to remember where I saw it first without digging out all my old SW comics, I should have known it would be Dark Empire. So much good came out of that series along with so much that wasn't, but it did have the virtue of having only the OT to draw on.

 

[Set Harth]

What's Mimban's useful resource?

Kaiburr crystals?

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Relayer1]

...they even gave it an extra pair of weapons close in where the wing meets the fuselage (I'm assuming concussion missile launchers?)
It still doesn't hold a candle to the X-Wing which looks cool from any angle; the E-wing on the other hand just looks cool from a few angles. Any profile shot makes it hard to hide the vertical imbalance emphasised by the hunched back cockpit and the underslung engines, but there's nothing they could do to fix that short of a total redesign, and well then it really wouldn't be an E-Wing anymore.

I love it.

To me it looks absolutely as formidable as an X Wing yet way more compact and stocky. We're comparing a greyhound and a pitbull.

 

[Reverend]

I love it.

To me it looks absolutely as formidable as an X Wing yet way more compact and stocky. We're comparing a greyhound and a pitbull.

More like comparing a Jaguar to a house (loth) cat. Lighter weapons, lighter armor, more modest engines, two thirds the length & wingspan and probably about half the mass. It's a peacetime ship for local security patrols, not something that's expected to take on anything more formidable than an over enthusiastic pirate raider. And that's fine. Not everything needs to be the very best, most advanced super-cool ship ever. It does what it does. If something nastier than a Corsair or a modified Gozanti shows up; well as we saw with Ahsoka's honour guard, they still have X-Wings and probably A-Wings they can scramble to intercept while the E-Wings hang back and guard the populated areas.

Also keep in mind that Star Wars doesn't really do "technological advancement". After all, there's been galaxy spanning civilizations seemingly contiguously for at least twenty five millennia; probably more. Pretty sure anything that can be invented, already has been, possibly lost, rediscovered and lost again several times over. So what's left is just what's practical, what works, and what the galactic economy can support. TIE Fighters were glorified coffins with the bare minimum weapons and engines strapped to them, not because the Empire didn't have the technology for shields, a compact hyperdrive, or a life-support system; they just didn't think it was worth spending the money on preserving expendable, and easily replaceable resources like pilots. (See also why Stormtrooper armour is garbage and the E-11 can't hit the broad side of an exogorth.)

There's all kinds of context clues for this in both the OT & Clone Wars. Look at how elegant and well crafted the Naboo ships are. Look how exotic and advanced Umbaran, Kaminoan and even Gungan technology seems compared to the more "robust" tech we see commonly throughout the galaxy. It's not because of a disparity of scientific knowledge or skill, it's simply that the former is the result of artisanal craftsmanship (read: expensive, but also utilising locally sourced exotic materials), while the latter is the result of industrial mass-production (read: cheap and utilising common materials & parts).

Remember; in Star Wars a speeder that can defy gravity and break the sound barrier is as common and accessible as a horse & cart might be in a more traditionally medieval fantasy setting, while a starship that can cross the galaxy in mere days if not hours is comparable with a simple fishing boat. And both subject to about as much technological change over the centuries. That is to say; mostly just aesthetic changes over the same basic engineering principles. A wheel's a wheel, a sail is a sail, and a power converter is a power converter.

E-Wings and X-wings are probably no more fundamentally "advanced" than whatever the Old Republic was flying against the Sith Empire three thousand years ago. It's just a different design.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Starfighter hyperdrive miniaturization was a technological advancement conspicuously made onscreen, over the course from Episode II to Episode V.

 

[Ithekro]

The E-wing could be designed to be the TIE Fighter replacement for the New Republic. As a fighter that could be anyplace as patrol or escort. But later even that is replaced by later models of X-wings (T-70 and T-85s). That even happened in the old EU. The E-wing replaced the T-65 X-wing early on, but then Incom started making improved X-wings as the next gen starfighter a decade or two later, resulting in the Jedi X-wings.

 

[Reverend]

Starfighter hyperdrive miniaturization was a technological advancement conspicuously made onscreen, over the course from Episode II to Episode V.

Nope. Again, it's just a design choice. Hyperspace rings made sense for the Jedi because they allowed for *really* stripped down, nimble fighters that would get anyone not strong in the force killed in five seconds flat, thanks to their zero armor, practically non-existent avionics, and targeting systems that hardly merit the term (which suits the Jedi just fine.) They were also practical because the Order had an established infrastructure that allows them to station easily swappable ring units in orbit over a temple. Less need for a Jedi to wait for a refuel if they have to head back out; just dock with the next available ring and go! Also makes economic sense since if the ship is lost (Jedi do crash a LOT) then odds are the hyperdrive (aka: the expensive bit) is probably sitting safe and sound in open space. Again; it's just a design choice that changes due to a shift in priorities.

Wind back the calendar a few centuries and you'll find Jedi of the High Republic flying around in Vectors. Which were are about the same size as an X-Wing, hyperspace capable, and no rings in sight. Which also makes sense because it's an era of expansion with sparse infrastructure and unreliable supply lines outside of the mid-rim, so their ships needed to be more self-sufficient and able to operate at long ranges with minimal support . . . just like the Rebel Alliance, and wouldn't you know it; they had all hyperdrive equipped fighters too!

The E-wing could be designed to be the TIE Fighter replacement for the New Republic. As a fighter that could be anyplace as patrol or escort. But later even that is replaced by later models of X-wings (T-70 and T-85s). That even happened in the old EU. The E-wing replaced the T-65 X-wing early on, but then Incom started making improved X-wings as the next gen starfighter a decade or two later, resulting in the Jedi X-wings.

Probably not the best comparison since the basic TIE was an "every problem is a nail so just keep throwing lots and lots of tiny hammers at it" approach. It wasn't designed to be able to be anyplace so much as it was just used anyplace regardless of suitability because attrition wasn't considered to be an operational hinderance due to sheer overwhelming numbers. TIE Interceptors just seemed to be for showing off.

I wouldn't even frame the E-Wing as an X or A-wing replacement because I don't think it's a space superiority fighter, nor is it an interceptor. It has it's own specific niche that it's designed to fill and no more. Which is totally normal for (para)military procurement. There are may different types of vehicles and other hardware, all with their own uses, and many with overlapping capabilities. In short: an E-Wing is probably what you use where an X-Wing or A-Wing is impractical and/or overkill. Simple, capable, cheap to maintain. Just don't expect it to take on a Star Destroyer (the good news being; it wont' have to because they're all being dismantled . . . supposedly.)

 

[Ithekro]

I wonder if the wing root weapons are missile launchers, or perhaps ion cannons. A fighter designed to interdict smugglers and pirates could use ion cannons to disable them.