Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

[StarMan]

Watched the second episode. Can we just stay on Ray Stevenson and his apprentice's POV? I find them far more interesting.

The good gals - they're a little boring and flat. I'm not a stranger to Ahsoka (have watched all of Clone Wars), but I'm not particularly engaged by this live-action version. Out of the main characters, I'd say Sabine has the most promise. Green General Lady is particularly bland - I don't know if that's how she came across in Rebels.

Overall, a bit of a sluggish start. Obviously, Rebels fans will get a hell of a lot more out of this; while viewers like me can read a wiki or watch a recap, we still don't have the investment in the characters as those who watched the show. It's unfortunate, as it's apparent in several scenes you're meant to feel something as they make a callback or reference. But. at least got the intro out of the way and hopefully get going with the meat of the story.

Just as a side: does it irk anyone else that we know where this all ends up? As the scene with the bad guys unlocking the map planet-side unfolded, I thought to myself how much I'd prefer it if everything ahead of this was an open canvas: Post-Empire and an unknown future. No Rey, whiny emo Solo, Palpatine somehow returned and so on locked in.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Wind back the calendar a few centuries and you'll find Jedi of the High Republic flying around in Vectors. Which were are about the same size as an X-Wing, hyperspace capable, and no rings in sight.

According to Wookieepedia, the Jedi Vectors used "hyperframes", which were triangles instead of rings.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperframe

That said, it'll be interesting to see how much of the High Republic concept makes it into The Acolyte, if and when that airs.

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Another point against the stagnant technology thesis that deserves mention is that Rebels dedicated a whole episode to the testing and first combat mission of the B-wing, a starfighter that no one had seen the likes of before ("Wings of the Master").

 

[fireproof78]

does it irk anyone else that we know where this all ends up?

The PT irked me more.

On this one I value the context going in to the ST.

 

[Reverend]

Made some progress on translating the temple runes, though it's slow going (much fiddling with contrast levels and other filters to draw details out of the deep shadows.)
First off: there are actual words there, so it's not just random letters. Most of it seems to be (not surprisingly, in hindsight) navigational instructions, alignment & astronomical coordinates, that kind of thing. "Forty Degrees One Parsec", "Five Degrees Te? Li-" "Ten Degrees North" and a few other fragments that seem to be more of the same.
Somewhat amusingly, the hidden pedestal in which the starmap was kept had runes spelling out "Seatos" down the side. Guess Ahsoka didn't bother to translate it or else they could have gotten there much earlier! (still would have needed Sabine to unlock the map of course.) Mind you down the other two sides it's marked "Dath-" and "Arc-" (presumably Dathomir & Arcana) so maybe not quite as obvious, but still!

There's also a whole string of text circling around the roof, though it's proving difficult to make out (only getting word fragments at this point, nothing coherent yet.) There are however some legible words in the starmap itself on Seatos. Some mention of "Occlusion" and a "Veil of . . . ".

As a side note: given the three place names on the pedestal, and the arrangement of the room, I'm guessing that there were once three covens of the Nightsister clan, each with their own "Mother" like Talzin, and each based on a place of power; Arcana, Seatos & Dathomir. Talzin once mentioned that they were in exile on Dathomir; who exiled them and the how/why/when of it all remains to be seen. Could be Jedi, but I somehow doubt it.

I do wonder if the connection between the Nightsisters and the Pathway to Peridea has to do with the time before navi-computers where the only way to travel hyperspace was with the aid of the force AND the purrgils, and the Nightsisters were but one of many schools of force mystics to travel the galaxy in this way; possibly before either the Old Republic or the Jedi existed.

ETA: A little more progress on the long string. Seems to be a rhyming story verse of some sort: "-CTING NEAR AND FAR AC-<gap>-E HEAVENS STAR TO STAR ? -ES--T-"

 

[Turtletrekker]

Eric Voss at New Rockstars translated the end credits. Not surprisingly, all paths lead to Peridea.

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Also, I saw a very interesting theory that the true identity of Marrok is...

Spoiler: Potential Marrok identity

Luuke Skywalker, as he was known in the novels. A clone of Luke that was part of Thrawn's scheme in the books that was created from the DNA of Luke's severed hand.

I don't know how much stock I put into the theory, but it's an interesting thought.

 

[Crewman6]

Spoiler: Potential Marrok identity

Luuke Skywalker, as he was known in the novels. A clone of Luke that was part of Thrawn's scheme in the books that was created from the DNA of Luke's severed hand.

I don't know how much stock I put into the theory, but it's an interesting thought.

That's not remotely interesting, it's nothing less than horrifying. It was terrible before, it'd be doubly terrible now.

 

[UssGlenn]

Honestly I'd call this a significant improvement overall. Less spindly, more substantial, no silly roof cannon or hidden astromech bay, and they even gave it an extra pair of weapons close in where the wing meets the fuselage (I'm assuming concussion missile launchers?)
It still doesn't hold a candle to the X-Wing which looks cool from any angle; the E-wing on the other hand just looks cool from a few angles. Any profile shot makes it hard to hide the vertical imbalance emphasised by the hunched back cockpit and the underslung engines, but there's nothing they could do to fix that short of a total redesign, and well then it really wouldn't be an E-Wing anymore.

So the roof mounted cannon was always criticized for blocking the opening of the cockpit, it couldn't swing up like an x-wing, so they got rid of the cannon. Then they designed the cockpit canopy to open by sliding forward instead. So you could have kept the upper cannon in place.

 

[Tuskin38]

Obviously all opinion, but discussing how Dave could be retconning the end of Rebels. Basically he changed his mind since Rebels aired.

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[Turtletrekker]

That's not remotely interesting, it's nothing less than horrifying. It was terrible before, it'd be doubly terrible now.

Someday the day may come when you might post something even remotely interesting. That's a horrifying thought. Not likely though.

 

[Booji]

I don't think anything is changing with the ending of Rebels. We simply haven't gotten to that scene yet in Ahsoka

 

[UssGlenn]

I don't think anything is changing with the ending of Rebels. We simply haven't gotten to that scene yet in Ahsoka

If they wanted to leave that option open they wouldn't have exactly recreated Sabine touching Ezra's face identically.

 

[Turtletrekker]

If they wanted to leave that option open they wouldn't have exactly recreated Sabine touching Ezra's face identically.

That's how I took it. A tiny little inconsistency here and there doesn't really bother me. I'm not a Thermian.

 

[Ithekro]

The New Republic might have an additional cannon modification for the E-wing that goes over the cockpit for special missions. Wouldn't it be wild to have a smaller version of the B-wing's composite-beam laser on an E-wing? A three beam version that requires an add-on weapon pack that straps on over the astromech port.

 

[Reverend]

Eric Voss at New Rockstars translated the end credits. Not surprisingly, all paths lead to Peridea.

Now why didn't I think of that?!

So the roof mounted cannon was always criticized for blocking the opening of the cockpit, it couldn't swing up like an x-wing, so they got rid of the cannon. Then they designed the cockpit canopy to open by sliding forward instead. So you could have kept the upper cannon in place.

I mostly just criticize it for looking stupid. Like an especially put upon winged narwhal carrying a pair of overloaded shopping bags.

Also; if you have to add an extra mechanism to your vehicle that articulates your primary weapon system out of the way just so the pilot can get out of the thing without banging their head, then perhaps one should question why it even needed to be there in the first place when it could have been literally anywhere other than the least convenient location imaginable.

I don't think anything is changing with the ending of Rebels. We simply haven't gotten to that scene yet in Ahsoka

The official site thinks otherwise. Seriously, don't get too hung up on the production details. You don't need to explain the difference, just like you don't need to explain why Ahsoka's eyeballs no longer take up 20% of the volume of her skull like they did on Clone Wars, or why both she and Sabine look exactly like Michelle Lee and Chau Naumova in certain shots for some reason . . .

 

[fireproof78]

Obviously all opinion, but discussing how Dave could be retconning the end of Rebels. Basically he changed his mind since Rebels aired.

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He learned from Lucas.

Welcome to it, Dave. All your decisions will be painstakingly questioned for the rest of your career.

 

[Tuskin38]

Filoni can't say anything because he's writers guild. So we probably won't get a solid answer until after the strike ends.
Or knowing Filoni, he'll be his vague self either way.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's funny. I keep hearing people mentioning Ahsoka's theme, I've never quite caught what it was supposed to be. So I went to YouTube and just listened to the theme without any visuals, and now I can't not hear it when I watch the show. I'm actually huming it to myself right now.

 

[Set Harth]

Filoni can't say anything because he's writers guild. So we probably won't get a solid answer until after the strike ends.
Or knowing Filoni, he'll be his vague self either way.

The strike means he literally is barred from speaking at all?

 

[fireproof78]

The strike means he literally is barred from speaking at all?

On a production, yes.

 

[Crewman6]

Someday the day may come when you might post something even remotely interesting. That's a horrifying thought. Not likely though.

Hope springs eternal.