^ sounds like you're trying to uncover The Legend of Kora! sorry....
Spoilers Agents of SHIELD- The Final Season Discussion
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...Hold on a sec! If Afterlife is effectively destroyed in '83, that means that the Belyakov's can't skip out on Jiaying with terrigen crystals. No crystals means Katya doesn't go psycho in Bahrain. No Bahrain = no 'The Cavalry'!
Between this, Mac's parents and now Jiaying's activity in the 80's is being monkeyed with; is this show systematically wiping itself from the MCU timeline? Are they going to end with alternate versions of everyone living vastly different lives?
Between this, Mac's parents and now Jiaying's activity in the 80's is being monkeyed with; is this show systematically wiping itself from the MCU timeline? Are they going to end with alternate versions of everyone living vastly different lives?
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I have been avoiding this thread because I didn't want any spoilers, but I figured I might as well post something now.
Over the last month+, I've been binge watching Agents of Shield. Last night I finished Season 6 and watched the first episode of Season 7. I anticipate I will be caught up before the next episode airs, but I was excited to finally get to the current season. I'm not sure if anyone cares, but here are my thoughts on the series so far:
The first season started out really slow, but I think it got better as time went on, especially around the time of Winter Soldier and the whole Hydra infiltration story. We got to meet the characters and the world building started to begin. The second season was better as we delved more into Skye's backstory and meeting her parents and bringing in the Inhumans. I loved Skye's parents, especially Cal, and I'm bummed as of the premiere episode of Season 7, I haven't seen him again. They did leave it so his memory was erased so he could live a normal life, but I would have liked to see at least one more reunion between him and Daisy. The third season was actually my favorite season of the show. I loved the story with Simmons on Maveth, but I think the thing I loved the most was the use of the countdown clock to the shuttle explosion to drive the back half of the season. You spend all this time wondering who was on the shuttle, and when you think it's Daisy, they throw a curve ball and it was just really cool. The forth season was really good too, but it was a slight step down from Season 2 and 3. I loved the Ghost Rider story, and the Framework was decent. I think the thing I loved the most of this season was the philisophical questions of choice, freedom, and what makes a sentient being. Aida was a great villain (Not as great as Ward or Hive) and this run from Seasons 2-4 were some of the best TV I've seen in a long while. Season 5 I felt the show dipped a little in quality. It was still a good season, but the whole thing about manipulating time and changing the future was kind of confusing. Also, the use of General Gale and Ruby kind of felt like an afterthought when Talbot was revealed as Graviton. I still liked it, but it was just good. Fitz and Simmons wedding did make me tear up. That was a great 100th episode. Season 6 was a weird season. For one, Caulson being the bad guy was something I couldn't get over and I think it impacted the overall season for me. Yeah it allowed Gregg to do something else, and we got some great character work in terms of grieving and loss, but he really is the backbone of this series so it was like seeing a mirror universe of him. Also, the explanation was a little confusing. I did love that finale though, from the epic sword fight to the end taking the crew back to 1931.
I'd probably rank the seasons this way from favorite to least favorite:
Season 3
Season 2
Season 4
Season 5
Season 6
Season 1
As for the premiere of season 7, I thought it was great. We got our Caulson back, we got Koenig back, and after taking a year off from Hydra, the revelation that to protect the future they have to save Hydra is very interesting.
Overall though, I have had so much fun with this series. I love this cast, I think Fitz and Simmons ranks right up there with John and Aeryn from Farscape (And that is no easy task), and I'm going to be sad when the series ends. I'm not sure how much I will contribute to this thread (I do hope to be caught up by the end of the weekend) for fear of future spoilers. I was asked by a few people to post my thoughts on the series in this thread so here it is.
I also watched the two seasons of Agent Carter. I wonder what kind of connections to Carter Season 7 will have. I loved Agent Carter but wish they hadn't ended on that cliffhanger.
Over the last month+, I've been binge watching Agents of Shield. Last night I finished Season 6 and watched the first episode of Season 7. I anticipate I will be caught up before the next episode airs, but I was excited to finally get to the current season. I'm not sure if anyone cares, but here are my thoughts on the series so far:
The first season started out really slow, but I think it got better as time went on, especially around the time of Winter Soldier and the whole Hydra infiltration story. We got to meet the characters and the world building started to begin. The second season was better as we delved more into Skye's backstory and meeting her parents and bringing in the Inhumans. I loved Skye's parents, especially Cal, and I'm bummed as of the premiere episode of Season 7, I haven't seen him again. They did leave it so his memory was erased so he could live a normal life, but I would have liked to see at least one more reunion between him and Daisy. The third season was actually my favorite season of the show. I loved the story with Simmons on Maveth, but I think the thing I loved the most was the use of the countdown clock to the shuttle explosion to drive the back half of the season. You spend all this time wondering who was on the shuttle, and when you think it's Daisy, they throw a curve ball and it was just really cool. The forth season was really good too, but it was a slight step down from Season 2 and 3. I loved the Ghost Rider story, and the Framework was decent. I think the thing I loved the most of this season was the philisophical questions of choice, freedom, and what makes a sentient being. Aida was a great villain (Not as great as Ward or Hive) and this run from Seasons 2-4 were some of the best TV I've seen in a long while. Season 5 I felt the show dipped a little in quality. It was still a good season, but the whole thing about manipulating time and changing the future was kind of confusing. Also, the use of General Gale and Ruby kind of felt like an afterthought when Talbot was revealed as Graviton. I still liked it, but it was just good. Fitz and Simmons wedding did make me tear up. That was a great 100th episode. Season 6 was a weird season. For one, Caulson being the bad guy was something I couldn't get over and I think it impacted the overall season for me. Yeah it allowed Gregg to do something else, and we got some great character work in terms of grieving and loss, but he really is the backbone of this series so it was like seeing a mirror universe of him. Also, the explanation was a little confusing. I did love that finale though, from the epic sword fight to the end taking the crew back to 1931.
I'd probably rank the seasons this way from favorite to least favorite:
Season 3
Season 2
Season 4
Season 5
Season 6
Season 1
As for the premiere of season 7, I thought it was great. We got our Caulson back, we got Koenig back, and after taking a year off from Hydra, the revelation that to protect the future they have to save Hydra is very interesting.
Overall though, I have had so much fun with this series. I love this cast, I think Fitz and Simmons ranks right up there with John and Aeryn from Farscape (And that is no easy task), and I'm going to be sad when the series ends. I'm not sure how much I will contribute to this thread (I do hope to be caught up by the end of the weekend) for fear of future spoilers. I was asked by a few people to post my thoughts on the series in this thread so here it is.
I also watched the two seasons of Agent Carter. I wonder what kind of connections to Carter Season 7 will have. I loved Agent Carter but wish they hadn't ended on that cliffhanger.
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I remember it took forever before calling Skye "Daisy" sounded right but now it seems weird when I see here called Skye.
It's not really a big deal, but I would have loved an explanation for the whole "Skye" moniker. She was an orphan turned hacker and she didn't know who her real parents were. I also thought there might have been something bigger with the whole Skye thing but there really wasn't.
Was that brief moment in the "Previously on..." where the severely Daisy called out her mother's name in a previous episode or was it a deleted scene included now (a la Farscape a few times)? I don't remember that moment happening.
As for the episode itself, it was a vast improvement to last week's episode. It's good to have some more focus on Yo-Yo since she's been a bit shortchanged this season aside from the issue with her powers. They dealt with the issue head on and what better way but to return to Afterlife and visit a pre-mad Jiaying (and Gordon, too!). I'm not sure if I quite buy the explanation for Yo-Yo's absent powers but I liked seeing more of her backstory, if only through a flashback.
I liked suddenly discovering that Jiaying had another daughter, Kora, but was someone who may have originally killed herself out of fear of her own abilities. Considering Jiaying's long lifespan, it's no surprise she had other children than Daisy and it's nice to see a glimpse of what that was like.
I loved Sousa finally getting a proper prosthetic. I'm sure it won't having major upgrades like Coulson and Yo-Yo has, but cool nonetheless.
I loved the weirdness of seeing Coulson conscious and talking to people while his legs are still being printed. Of course Coulson would find a way to crack a joke about it. I also loved his little scene with Daisy about being thirsty for more than a year and not being able to do it. That does sound awful.
Still not thrilled about the return of Nathaniel, but I liked the serious David Haller vibes (at least via Legion) he was giving off her. However, he's still a pretty thin character sketch of "angry, spoiled white male who didn't get is way so he's going to destroy everything around him with the help of other angry people." I hope the show does more with him than that because right now, he feels very extraneous to the larger problem our heroes are facing, even if he's part Sibyl's big grand scheme of...what exactly?
As for the episode itself, it was a vast improvement to last week's episode. It's good to have some more focus on Yo-Yo since she's been a bit shortchanged this season aside from the issue with her powers. They dealt with the issue head on and what better way but to return to Afterlife and visit a pre-mad Jiaying (and Gordon, too!). I'm not sure if I quite buy the explanation for Yo-Yo's absent powers but I liked seeing more of her backstory, if only through a flashback.
I liked suddenly discovering that Jiaying had another daughter, Kora, but was someone who may have originally killed herself out of fear of her own abilities. Considering Jiaying's long lifespan, it's no surprise she had other children than Daisy and it's nice to see a glimpse of what that was like.
I loved Sousa finally getting a proper prosthetic. I'm sure it won't having major upgrades like Coulson and Yo-Yo has, but cool nonetheless.
I loved the weirdness of seeing Coulson conscious and talking to people while his legs are still being printed. Of course Coulson would find a way to crack a joke about it. I also loved his little scene with Daisy about being thirsty for more than a year and not being able to do it. That does sound awful.
Still not thrilled about the return of Nathaniel, but I liked the serious David Haller vibes (at least via Legion) he was giving off her. However, he's still a pretty thin character sketch of "angry, spoiled white male who didn't get is way so he's going to destroy everything around him with the help of other angry people." I hope the show does more with him than that because right now, he feels very extraneous to the larger problem our heroes are facing, even if he's part Sibyl's big grand scheme of...what exactly?
That was my favorite line, too."I'd rather have a thin plan than live through the eighties again."
Ever since the two Malicks who lived longer than they were suppose to, I've figured we're dealing with an entirely different timeline and/or they're going to hit a big reset by the end (which I really, really hope they don't do). It seems like our characters aren't ever going to see their own time again, not unlike what happened in Fringe.
I'm watching the Film Noir episode right now and I think I already love this season more than 5 or 6 (And maybe even 4). I just love how much fun they are having this season, and having Sousa back less than a month after watching Agent Carter is really making these episodes that much more rewarding. I still really hope Fitz comes back though. I think my only disappointment with this season will happen if Fitz doesn't come back.
I figured that must be another retro logo, but I didn't recognize the style being homaged.
It was nice to see Jaiying again, except that once again everyone is running roughshod over the timeline. 2020 is going to be completely unrecognizable when they return (which is probably a good thing, I suppose). It looks like Afterlife is doomed and, as Mack implied, Daisy will never be born. Sam Beckett is gonna be super freakin' busy after all this.
I got a big kick-- no pun intended-- out of May and Yoyo's meditation technique. But, hey, whatever gets you through the night. Funny how that whole Yoyo thing was all in her mind from the start.
I'm not sure if I like where they seem to be heading with Coulson, though. Several of his comments, like wondering how many ones and zeros it takes to make him happy, and his wry reaction to recharging being like taking a nap, make me wonder if he will decide to power down for good. I hope not, because eternal Robo-Coulson appeals to me. And we're all just programming when you come down to it, whether we're wetware or firmware. The bit about being thirsty for a year and a half was a nice bit of characterization, though. That is one super-advanced LMD.
Sousa is adjusting very well to being Buck Rogers, and I hope they have something good in mind for the character. He deserves a prominent position in 21st century SHIELD. And Daisy is still doing time in the healing tube, but I don't think we know yet if she's lost her powers for good. And, yeah, is that really Daisy's half sister? If so, that may affect how the plot resolves when they both find out.
It was nice to see Jaiying again, except that once again everyone is running roughshod over the timeline. 2020 is going to be completely unrecognizable when they return (which is probably a good thing, I suppose). It looks like Afterlife is doomed and, as Mack implied, Daisy will never be born. Sam Beckett is gonna be super freakin' busy after all this.
I got a big kick-- no pun intended-- out of May and Yoyo's meditation technique. But, hey, whatever gets you through the night. Funny how that whole Yoyo thing was all in her mind from the start.
I'm not sure if I like where they seem to be heading with Coulson, though. Several of his comments, like wondering how many ones and zeros it takes to make him happy, and his wry reaction to recharging being like taking a nap, make me wonder if he will decide to power down for good. I hope not, because eternal Robo-Coulson appeals to me. And we're all just programming when you come down to it, whether we're wetware or firmware. The bit about being thirsty for a year and a half was a nice bit of characterization, though. That is one super-advanced LMD.
Sousa is adjusting very well to being Buck Rogers, and I hope they have something good in mind for the character. He deserves a prominent position in 21st century SHIELD. And Daisy is still doing time in the healing tube, but I don't think we know yet if she's lost her powers for good. And, yeah, is that really Daisy's half sister? If so, that may affect how the plot resolves when they both find out.
You know as they keep changing the past even the future past should start to look different. When they got to the 80's for example you would think their impact in the 30's, 40's, and 70's would have created a different looking 80's. I kind of like the idea that when they get to the present day all humans have lizard tongues and they go 'close enough." and stay.
Jason
Jason
incredible, never made those connections before, tough I've seen that movie. It was so long ago!
What I was worrying about. Our heroes have been shoved into an alternative past that's getting more and more divergent. Will they ever get back to their "home" universe? I fear not.
I’m wondering the same thing. The prospect doesn’t thrill me. I’d rather they ended with one last time jump that stopped the Chronicoms when they first arrived in the ‘30s, then overshot their return home and ended up in the MCU present-day of the early-to-mid 2020s.
It just feels like too much of a stretch to me to have all this time-travel altering history, but everything that involved the Avengers up until Infinity War just happened to be exactly the same in both timelines, minus the little continuity seams that can now be interpreted as literally and rigidly as possible.
or maybe what we saw in S1 - 6 was the result of changes in the timeline at some and now our heroes are (to extend from a comment above) putting right what once went wrong.
Maybe the only difference is the MCU timeline Coulson was never brought back to life. Of course that changes the meaning of "Old Friends" by Nick Fury in "Age of Ultron." Might be some different past SHIELD agents that had the heli-carrier.
Jason
I'm all caught up. Started the series in early June and just watched episode 8 of Season 7 tonight. Some thoughts about season 7 since I probably won't go through the thread:
1) I really liked everything having to do with Sousa and getting him on the Zepher. The film Noir episode was great as was episode 3 and the scene between Sousa and Simmons. I really loved that they did episode 4 in black and white, and the twist was a nice way to save him while still "killing" him.
2) I've been really enjoying this season, but watching episode 7 has me a little worried. These writers have done a great job with the series in itself, but as of episode 7 we are 6 episodes away from the end of the series and they did an A-Team fun spoof. I think any other situation I would have liked the episode, but with the series ending really soon, this felt like a bad place to have it.
3) Episode 8 has made me convinced this season is basically Shield's greatest hits. We've had Hydra, Jaiyang, the Mallick family, the Chronicoms, and we even got a flash of Ruby. I will be very very surprised if we don't see Ward/Hive again. He was probably the best villain on the show (Maybe it's close to Aida, but this is my opinion and I don't really know what the popular opinion is) and he did find a way to appear in 4 seasons at least.
Back to my concerns about this season. I really hope the writers stick this landing. I can't help but feel like with 5 episodes left, and I hope there is time to say goodbye to these characters, we still have to fix the time jump issue, get Nethanial, stop the altering of time, and allow the team to come back to it's own time. I also want to see Fitz again, and I want to feel how I felt during the 100th episode and Jemma and Leo's wedding. I feel like the last two episodes has kind of stalled the season and they don't have time. Also, this series has always taken place concurrently with the MCU so having the timeline being altered really does impact the MCU moving forward, doesn't it? I just hope they know how to get out of this with only 5 episodes left and next week looks like a Cause and Effect type of episode.
1) I really liked everything having to do with Sousa and getting him on the Zepher. The film Noir episode was great as was episode 3 and the scene between Sousa and Simmons. I really loved that they did episode 4 in black and white, and the twist was a nice way to save him while still "killing" him.
2) I've been really enjoying this season, but watching episode 7 has me a little worried. These writers have done a great job with the series in itself, but as of episode 7 we are 6 episodes away from the end of the series and they did an A-Team fun spoof. I think any other situation I would have liked the episode, but with the series ending really soon, this felt like a bad place to have it.
3) Episode 8 has made me convinced this season is basically Shield's greatest hits. We've had Hydra, Jaiyang, the Mallick family, the Chronicoms, and we even got a flash of Ruby. I will be very very surprised if we don't see Ward/Hive again. He was probably the best villain on the show (Maybe it's close to Aida, but this is my opinion and I don't really know what the popular opinion is) and he did find a way to appear in 4 seasons at least.
Back to my concerns about this season. I really hope the writers stick this landing. I can't help but feel like with 5 episodes left, and I hope there is time to say goodbye to these characters, we still have to fix the time jump issue, get Nethanial, stop the altering of time, and allow the team to come back to it's own time. I also want to see Fitz again, and I want to feel how I felt during the 100th episode and Jemma and Leo's wedding. I feel like the last two episodes has kind of stalled the season and they don't have time. Also, this series has always taken place concurrently with the MCU so having the timeline being altered really does impact the MCU moving forward, doesn't it? I just hope they know how to get out of this with only 5 episodes left and next week looks like a Cause and Effect type of episode.
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Probably not unfair, it does feel a bit more like an encore or victory lap than building to a big crescendo. They seem to be having fun this season shaking up the formula and playing with new ideas but it's probably not as ambitious as it might have been. I do like that it chugs along in this format, a little more of an episodic or unstructured approach to the storyline arc.
