Agents of SHIELD: Season 6

[Christopher]

The smart money is on The Snap being not just undone, but removed from the timeline. In which case from the perspective of the AoS cast it didn't happen at all.

I hope not. AoS is the perfect place to explore all the global ramifications of the Decimation that can only be briefly touched on in a movie. It would be awesome if they could set the whole season between the IW movies, to address all the questions fans and essayists have been raising about its consequences.

 

[LJones41]

. Indeed, I'm not 100% sure Fury is even the Director yet at the time of 'Captain Marvel'...which would raise the question that with Howard Stark dead & Peggy retired, who would be in charge? Stoner? Carson?

Don't forget that Alexander Pierce was Director of SHIELD - at least before Fury. And I don't know for how long.

 

[Kirk Prime]

The smart money is on The Snap being not just undone, but removed from the timeline. In which case from the perspective of the AoS cast it didn't happen at all. Indeed, the last scene of the season 5 finale may technically be post 'Endgame' where George is alive and Biff has gone back to waxing cars again...

We will find out soon enough, but I would be surprised if we get a full reset. It's not Brannon Braga is writing this movie. There should be some sort of consequence.

And I agree--it would be a bit of a cheat to not address the snap and at least do a short arc on it.

 

[LJones41]

We will find out soon enough, but I would be surprised if we get a full reset. It's not Brannon Braga is writing this movie. There should be some sort of consequence.

And I agree--it would be a bit of a cheat to not address the snap and at least do a short arc on it.

If the Avengers try to prevent the Snap in "Engame" and "SHIELD" Season 6 is supposed to follow, why would the Snap be addressed? I can see Thanos' appearance on Earth being addressed, but the Snap?

 

[Reverend]

I hope not. AoS is the perfect place to explore all the global ramifications of the Decimation that can only be briefly touched on in a movie. It would be awesome if they could set the whole season between the IW movies, to address all the questions fans and essayists have been raising about its consequences.

But if 'Endgame' ends up rewriting the timeline, then they'd basically waste a whole season in the timeline where Biff has a casino. Besides, it's not like the TV people are really given much information on upcoming movies anymore. Best just to stay out from underfoot at this point, which is probably at least partly why the new season has been held back until *after* 'Endgame' is released.

Don't forget that Alexander Pierce was Director of SHIELD - at least before Fury. And I don't know for how long.

I don't recall that ever being stated. Pierce came from a diplomatic background and was a part of SHIELD's international civilian oversight apparatus. He was never an intelligence operative so far as we know.

If the Avengers try to prevent the Snap in "Engame" and "SHIELD" Season 6 is supposed to follow, why would the Snap be addressed? I can see Thanos' appearance on Earth being addressed, but the Snap?

Even Fury didn't know Thanos made it to Earth (never mind even knowing who Thanos was!) By the time word got to him that a ship was over Wakanda the Snap had already happened. Odds are nobody outside Wakanda even knows that battle took place and it's not like the Avengers are going to clue in the last fragment of a twice dissolved organisation they probably don't know still exists.

 

[David cgc]

But if 'Endgame' ends up rewriting the timeline, then they'd basically waste a whole season in the timeline where Biff has a casino.

"Eureka" did that, like, twice.

 

[Reverend]

"Eureka" did that, like, twice.

'Dallas' too IIRC, but that doesn't exactly make it a good idea, no?

 

[Christopher]

Also, Agents of SHIELD did it, just last season. They did a whole half-season arc in a future that was then erased at the end of the season. How soon we forget.

 

[USS Firefly]

Also, Agents of SHIELD did it, just last season. They did a whole half-season arc in a future that was then erased at the end of the season. How soon we forget.

Maybe we forgot it because it was erased

 

[Gaith]

Also, Agents of SHIELD did it, just last season. They did a whole half-season arc in a future that was then erased at the end of the season.

But not from our heroes' memories, which presumably would be the case with a post-Snap season. Also, the season will be airing after Endgame, so even if all the Snap survivors had double memories or something, we'd still be living in the past, as it were.

 

[Christopher]

Well, like I said, we don't know that Endgame will reset the timeline, so it doesn't make sense to talk about that as though it were a given. Besides, Agents of SHIELD's whole deal has usually been about exploring the consequences and side stories arising from the movies' plots. Granted, they've been doing that less in recent years, but it would feel like a waste if their only response to something as huge as Infinity War was to jump clear past it as though it had never happened. I would find it far more desirable if they told a story that filled in the gap and explored the impact of the Earth losing half its population. That's a story that's worth telling, whether the timeline gets reset or not. The value of a story is in what happens during it, not just its effect or lack thereof on what comes after.

And what's wrong with a show being set in the past of the latest movie? Heck, all of this year's Netflix Marvel seasons had to be set before Infinity War, even the ones that came out after it. After all, their casts were still intact and there was no sign of New York having lost half its population.

 

[Gaith]

Well, like I said, we don't know that Endgame will reset the timeline, so it doesn't make sense to talk about that as though it were a given.

Occam's Razor suggests a reset is most likely, so it seems a safe assumption. Either way, AoS S5 wasn't a reset in the sense many here were talking about, IMO, due to its not being reset from the heroes' perspective.

I would find it far more desirable if they told a story that filled in the gap and explored the impact of the Earth losing half its population. That's a story that's worth telling, whether the timeline gets reset or not.

No objection there; I just don't think that's what we'll get. Sure, the movie survivors of the Snap will almost certainly recall the events, but I imagine the rest of the world, Coulson's Heroes included, won't.

 

[Christopher]

Occam's Razor suggests a reset is most likely, so it seems a safe assumption.

Assumptions are best avoided. You don't have to take a side in an unresolved question. The best thing to do is to consider all the possibilities, to keep an open mind until you have actual evidence one way or the other. Pretending one of the possibilities is certain and ignoring the others is pure self-delusion.

Also, I don't agree that a reset timeline is most likely. Why should it be? In the comics, the Snap was undone by the same thing that caused it -- Nebula stole the Infinity Gauntlet from Thanos and restored the people he'd erased. Surely that's the Occam's-Razor solution, much simpler than mucking about with time travel.

 

[JD]

They did make a surprising number of direct references to the events of Infinity War in the last handful of Season 5 episodes, so if there is a lasting Endgame, I'm pretty sure AoS will deal with it.

 

[David cgc]

I was thinking it might be a decent opprotunity for another run of webisodes, especially if there is a time-travel solution in Endgame. They could (well, could have, since they've wrapped) shoot some vignettes showing what the SHIELD team was doing in the aftermath of the Snapture in parallel with the regular season, using whatever sets and situations they're in in the actual episodes, and also slyly reference/preview things that would happen in the real season.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Mere seconds after we last saw our heroes, the snapture hit. it only affected one member of the Zepher crew. Unfortunately it was the pilot, which sent the vessel tumbling into the ocean killing all aboard. From shore, Coulson sees this turns to May to ask if she saw it as well, only to see her ashes whisping away in the wind.

However, fear not. Fitz is still out there in space, and he'll find a way to reverse time and set things right. Once he wakes up, that is.

 

[Booji]

Also, I don't agree that a reset timeline is most likely. Why should it be? In the comics, the Snap was undone by the same thing that caused it -- Nebula stole the Infinity Gauntlet from Thanos and restored the people he'd erased. Surely that's the Occam's-Razor solution, much simpler than mucking about with time travel.

Thank you! I've been saying this since 'Infinity War' was released. People are not paying any attention whatsoever to the plot lines that have been set up with Nebula, and they are completely in line with the original mini series. Nebula getting the Gauntlet is the 2nd biggest beat from the comic series and there is no way in hell it will not be in the movie. Plus, you know they will want to give Nebula a non-bionic make up job and show what she really-sorta looks like. The time travel/miniverse portion will be the action filled middle sequence of the movie and then Thanos will say "Fuck this, I'm sick of you meddling kids, I still control everything" and snap things back to how he wants, then gets too big for his britches and does the Eternity thing... which leads to Nebula getting the Gauntlet. The time travel thing is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally being over thought and is nothing more than a red herring.

 

[Christopher]

^Well, I'm not saying they definitely won't do time travel. As I said, there's no need to pick a side in an unresolved question; the smart move is to consider all the possibilities. Nebula (or someone else) using the Gauntlet is one possibility; time travel is another; something new that none of us have thought of yet is still another. I think the Gauntlet option is most likely, but "likely" does not mean "certain." We won't actually know the answer until the movie comes out.

 

[Reverend]

Also, Agents of SHIELD did it, just last season. They did a whole half-season arc in a future that was then erased at the end of the season. How soon we forget.

Apples and oranges.

They did make a surprising number of direct references to the events of Infinity War in the last handful of Season 5 episodes, so if there is a lasting Endgame, I'm pretty sure AoS will deal with it.

Not really. A direct reference would be "hey, some alien ship visited New York, got into a fight with some Avengers and a pair of wizards and now Tony Stark is missing." Instead what we got was a decidedly indirect "hey, some crazy stuff is going down in New York".

Again, the mere fact that the next season is being held back until after 'Avengers: Endgame' is out proves that that either the showrunners aren't allowed to deal with the interim consequences of a post-snap world, or they don't want to...or both. It's also the best evidence yet that the long term consequences post 'Endgame' will be personal not universal. Most likely the snap will be undone, but at the cost of the lives of some of the Avengers (probably Steve & Tony.)

Mere seconds after we last saw our heroes, the snapture hit. it only affected one member of the Zepher crew. Unfortunately it was the pilot, which sent the vessel tumbling into the ocean killing all aboard. From shore, Coulson sees this turns to May to ask if she saw it as well, only to see her ashes whisping away in the wind.

However, fear not. Fitz is still out there in space, and he'll find a way to reverse time and set things right. Once he wakes up, that is.

Or Fitz was the only one affected and all they find is an empty stasis pod...

 

[JD]

Not really. A direct reference would be "hey, some alien ship visited New York, got into a fight with some Avengers and a pair of wizards and now Tony Stark is missing." Instead what we got was a decidedly indirect "hey, some crazy stuff is going down in New York".

They specifically referred to Thanos attacking the Earth, and all the damage from his attack in New York, that is a lot more direct than what we've gotten the last few seasons.
I was pretty amazed they actually name dropped Thanos the way they did, I never expected to hear his name in AoS.