Agents of SHIELD: Season 6

[Caretaker]

So are they going to Knot's Landing this to the MCU films' Dallas?

Spoiler: Avengers Endgame

A five year-time jump. If AoS is only skipping ahead a year, that means they will still be within the time before the restoration. Which wouldn't have been a problem if the Avengers had prevented the original snap. But they didn't.

Unless they are wrong and the show is jumping five years - in which case, they probably wouldn't be as deep in mourning over Coulson's death.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, May says that they had more time together than expected.

 

[Reverend]

Here's an idea.

Spoiler: Avengers: Endgame

Spoiler: I'm not kidding. Don't click if you haven't watched the movie yet.

Spoiler: Final Warning!

What if EVERYONE save forzen Fitz got dusted? That way they all came back after the un-snappening like those 5 years never happened from their POV (as it presumably was for the entire Spider-Man cast.) and the show picks up one year after THAT?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Spoiler: You get only one warning from me...I'm too lazy

Ah, so a reverse coincidence. Instead of the coincidence of none of them being dusted, then all of them. Like I said in another thread (I've lost track of where I said what), it would be no stranger than the original six Avengers not getting dusted.

Also, why exclude Fitz?

 

[Reverend]

Spoiler: You get only one warning from me...I'm too lazy

Ah, so a reverse coincidence. Instead of the coincidence of none of them being dusted, then all of them. Like I said in another thread (I've lost track of where I said what), it would be no stranger than the original six Avengers not getting dusted.

Also, why exclude Fitz?

(Note: I won't put this in tags as it only really deals with what we already know from A:IW)

No particular reason other than Fitz would be unconscious for the snap and thus it kind of doesn't matter either way.
And as for coincidences: while we tend to want tho think of randomness having a certain uniformity to it, true randomness does allow for "clumps" of statistical anomalies that only even out on the macro scale. So in a truly random draw, it's entirely possible one town may have had zero dustings, while another may have been entirely wiped out.
I mean it's all plot contrivance anyway, so it doesn't really matter if writers use it to their advantage and when a wrench this big gets thrown into the works, they need to use every edge they can just to avoid total derailment.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

And as for coincidences: while we tend to want tho think of randomness having a certain uniformity to it, true randomness does allow for "clumps" of statistical anomalies that only even out on the macro scale. So in a truly random draw, it's entirely possible one town may have had zero dustings, while another may have been entirely wiped out.
I mean it's all plot contrivance anyway, so it doesn't really matter if writers use it to their advantage and when a wrench this big gets thrown into the works, they need to use every edge they can just to avoid total derailment.

I wouldn't mind that happening precisely for that particular reason. Plus, The Leftovers covered that possibility already so, in a way, that idea has been "normalized" to a degree.

 

[David cgc]

There's an interesting question of probability, there. If the snap happened in the Lighthouse timeline (which it almost certainly did, since I doubt Thanos would let a little thing like Earth being shattered stop him from collecting his last stone, regardless of precisely how events lined up in Wakanda and Chicago), and since it apparently happened after the Earth was/would've been destroyed, were the same people snapped in both timelines? Or, "all timelines," I should say, since the Lighthouse was a faux-timeloop that edged closer to being broken with every iteration, so it wasn't just a single timeline; maybe that was one of the random factors. If different people were dusted every iteration, that'd explain why the SHIELD crew never stopped Talbot until they did; they needed the right people to make it to the future to set them up for success.

 

[Reverend]

There's an interesting question of probability, there. If the snap happened in the Lighthouse timeline (which it almost certainly did, since I doubt Thanos would let a little thing like Earth being shattered stop him from collecting his last stone, regardless of precisely how events lined up in Wakanda and Chicago), and since it apparently happened after the Earth was/would've been destroyed, were the same people snapped in both timelines? Or, "all timelines," I should say, since the Lighthouse was a faux-timeloop that edged closer to being broken with every iteration, so it wasn't just a single timeline; maybe that was one of the random factors. If different people were dusted every iteration, that'd explain why the SHIELD crew never stopped Talbot until they did; they needed the right people to make it to the future to set them up for success.

I'm pretty sure Robin was the real reason they were able to break the loop. She was bouncing back and forth up and down her own timeline, presumably affecting minute changes with each instance. To have it be down to the gauntlet's RNG sort of undercuts her character's agency.

As for whether the snap happened in the Lighthouse Loop; I suppose it depends on what happened to the mind stone during the destruction of Earth. On the one hand: it's an infinity stone and presumably survived the big bang, so physically it's probably fine (Vision, perhaps not so much considering he'd already been injured by this point.) But on the other hand, the mind stone is *tiny* and space is really, really big. In all other instances, Thanos was only able to find the stones because others had found them first. This tells me that there's no real way to track the stones remotely. So maybe turning that part of the sol system into an expanding cloud of pebbles made it practically impossible to find the damn thing.

Maybe in the Lighthouse Loop, Thanos either abandoned his quest and went back to his tried and true method of "balancing" the universe one planet at a time? Or at the very least, put the quest on hold until the mind stone turned up again, even if it took a millennia or ten.
Indeed, we can't even be sure that in that loop, he even got as far as the time stone sine of the Earth was destroyed while Strange was still on Titan, then when he looked into all possible futures, he wouldn't see the one in which they prevail and thus, wouldn't hand it over.

Speaking of Strange; foreshadowing much?! (Note: for those worried, that's not an allusion to the events of Endgame, but the thing with Robin & the Lighthouse Loop.)

 

[RJDiogenes]

Spoiler: I don't watch the movies....

....so I don't know what the un-snapping entailed, but could that provide an excuse for the return of Coulson?

 

[Booji]

Spoiler: I don't watch the movies....

....so I don't know what the un-snapping entailed, but could that provide an excuse for the return of Coulson?

Unfortunately, no.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Here's an idea.

Spoiler: Avengers: Endgame

Spoiler: I'm not kidding. Don't click if you haven't watched the movie yet.

Spoiler: Final Warning!

What if EVERYONE save forzen Fitz got dusted? That way they all came back after the un-snappening like those 5 years never happened from their POV (as it presumably was for the entire Spider-Man cast.) and the show picks up one year after THAT?

Spoiler: Endgame

Since they're doing that for Spider-Man, that's what I would do.

BTW, regarding whether the television shows are in the same continuity as the movies.

Spoiler: Endgame

I hope this horseshit is over now that Edwin Jarvis appeared in Endgame placed by the same actor who played him in Agent Carter. He was a character cast entirely for that show. The movies never hinted at Jarvis being a real person and yet the movie referenced it anyway. It proved that they aren't shoe-horning in stuff that doesn't make sense but they'll reference it if they have time when appropriate.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

BTW, regarding whether the television shows are in the same continuity as the movies.

Spoiler: Endgame

I hope this horseshit is over now that Edwin Jarvis appeared in Endgame placed by the same actor who played him in Agent Carter. He was a character cast entirely for that show. The movies never hinted at Jarvis being a real person and yet the movie referenced it anyway. It proved that they aren't shoe-horning in stuff that doesn't make sense but they'll reference it if they have time when appropriate.

Spoiler: Endgame

Agreed 100%, which makes Coulson's absence during the climactic battle and at Tony's funeral all the more disappointing.

 

[John Clark]

Spoiler: Endgame

Agreed 100%, which makes Coulson's absence during the climactic battle and at Tony's funeral all the more disappointing.

Well

Spoiler: Shield

I just assumed that if he hadn't passed midsnap, he was dead post snap. Still, it would have been nice to see someone if not him from AOS. - I don't include Hill because we'd seen her in Avengers first.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Spoiler: Endgame

Oh, that's true. I got the timelines all messed up in my head again.

 

[David cgc]

Well

Spoiler: Shield

I just assumed that if he hadn't passed midsnap, he was dead post snap. Still, it would have been nice to see someone if not him from AOS. - I don't include Hill because we'd seen her in Avengers first.

Spoiler: Endgame

I'm sure I wasn't the only one with my eyes peeled at big battle in case there was any Quaking going on in the background.

 

[Kemaiku]

Spoiler: Endgame

Since they're doing that for Spider-Man, that's what I would do.

BTW, regarding whether the television shows are in the same continuity as the movies.

Spoiler: Endgame

I hope this horseshit is over now that Edwin Jarvis appeared in Endgame placed by the same actor who played him in Agent Carter. He was a character cast entirely for that show. The movies never hinted at Jarvis being a real person and yet the movie referenced it anyway. It proved that they aren't shoe-horning in stuff that doesn't make sense but they'll reference it if they have time when appropriate.

Spoiler

Jarvis was the driver/butler for Tony's father in the comics, the program JARVIS was made in memory of him since he was around Tony more than his father. Something the movies didn't comment on until now.

 

[Reverend]

Anyone in this thread who hasn't seen Endgame yet is probably getting a little annoyed at us about now...sorry-not-sorry.

Spoiler: Endgame

Agreed 100%, which makes Coulson's absence during the climactic battle and at Tony's funeral all the more disappointing.

Spoiler: Avengers: Endgame

I think if there was going ot be any AoS presence it would have been the "and then every character ever showed up" bit. It would have been very cool to see the Zepher flying alongside the Wakandan fighters and glimpses of Quake, Yo-Yo & Ghost Rider in the big panning shot, it's possible that may have put an unfair burden on the show runners to have to write around that in an episode.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Anyone in this thread who hasn't seen Endgame yet is probably getting a little annoyed at us about now...sorry-not-sorry.

I think they would be more annoyed if we didn't use spoiler code, so I ain't worried or sorry.

Spoiler: Avengers: Endgame

I think if there was going ot be any AoS presence it would have been the "and then every character ever showed up" bit. It would have been very cool to see the Zepher flying alongside the Wakandan fighters and glimpses of Quake, Yo-Yo & Ghost Rider in the big panning shot, it's possible that may have put an unfair burden on the show runners to have to write around that in an episode.

Spoiler: Endgame

Yeah, I was hoping for those three as well and I always knew it was a long shot (The Defenders, too), but in retrospect, I can see why they weren't included, especially considering the time jump and already making things difficult for those shows to deal with the continuity (although the Netflix shows dodged a bullet there...).

 

[Enterprise is Great]

What Avengers: Endgame Means for TV's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That...really doesn't address anything we didn't already know.