I hope he didn't disappear because that's not how time travel has worked in the Marvel comics. How many times has the x-men had members from alternate futures that were changed still remain in the present?
Agents of SHIELD season 5
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I hope he didn't disappear because that's not how time travel has worked in the Marvel comics. How many times has the x-men had members from alternate futures that were changed still remain in the present?
Considering that Deke told Daisy that he wanted to go outside and enjoy the real world rather than stay cooped up in the bunker, I think it is more likely that he did leave the base.
Yeah. The one thing that suggests his disappearance is that all his hoarded stuff disappeared from his room. And it looked as though his worn-out multitool was now in much better shape, as though it hadn't been through as much, but maybe that was Fitz's younger version of it.
Still, as I've argued before, the whole "erasure" idea is physically and logically absurd, so I prefer to believe he just left.
I kind of expected to see Jemma reach down and hold her belly after picking up the multi tool, and give a small smile hinting at the fact that she's pregnant.
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You mean Jemma, right?
Oops...yes, Jemma. Will correct that.
Did I miss something or did they actually account for why the loop was broken? Was it Fitz going back in for Mac and dying, or was it Coulson hiding the serum in Daisy's gauntlet? Robin's "he can put the pieces together" thing seems to imply the latter, in which case was the former just a symptom? Could it have been both together? Why have neither of these things happened before?
I'm assuming Robin herself is the "x" factor that allowed them to break the loop, with her mind zig-zagging up and down her own timeline ad infinitum until she found the right variables to tweak to avoid the shattering. So for her the whole thing was essentially 'Quantum Leap' meets 'Groundhog Day'. From her perspective it could have been one two passes through the loop or two trillion. So maybe the only difference in each loop is Robin's continuity of consciousness: as in which order she experiences her timeline and what she says to who and when. From the outside linear perspective that would presumably mean her moments of seeming lucidity and what she chooses to draw are what's changing?
On second thought, I'm glad they didn't spell it out. It would have been awkward to make it all explicit and my head is hurting just thinking about it!
I'm assuming Robin herself is the "x" factor that allowed them to break the loop, with her mind zig-zagging up and down her own timeline ad infinitum until she found the right variables to tweak to avoid the shattering. So for her the whole thing was essentially 'Quantum Leap' meets 'Groundhog Day'. From her perspective it could have been one two passes through the loop or two trillion. So maybe the only difference in each loop is Robin's continuity of consciousness: as in which order she experiences her timeline and what she says to who and when. From the outside linear perspective that would presumably mean her moments of seeming lucidity and what she chooses to draw are what's changing?
On second thought, I'm glad they didn't spell it out. It would have been awkward to make it all explicit and my head is hurting just thinking about it!
The former isn't necessarily a change if Jemma is already pregnant. The indication was that it was the serum thing, because that's the moment when Robin reacted.
I thought that was her and Fitz's room, and therefore Fitz's tool. She had luggage with her, and was shown packing later, IIRC.
The camera angle seemed to match the earlier interior shot of Deke's room. And structurally speaking, there was zero plot reason to include that earlier scene of Deke's cluttered room except to set up a later shot of it being empty.
Whether she is or is not pregnant is besides the point. We saw Fitz in the (near) future with Robin after the shattering, having already lived through the far future events and circled back to the present. His dying in Chicago couldn't have happened that time around.
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I don't think Zeke blinked out, just left. It makes no sense that Zeke's possessions would blink out simply because he did. They would still exist. Unless they went back to the storage rooms they came from? He'll be back.
I totally didn't get the Frozen Fitz reference. I had completely forgotten he was on Enoch's ship encased in carbonite. I guess he'll be back halfway through season 6.
Anyways, an enjoyable season finale. I didn't really care for this season, but it wasn't bad. I love the cast interaction and it kept me interested.
I totally didn't get the Frozen Fitz reference. I had completely forgotten he was on Enoch's ship encased in carbonite. I guess he'll be back halfway through season 6.
Anyways, an enjoyable season finale. I didn't really care for this season, but it wasn't bad. I love the cast interaction and it kept me interested.
I don't believe he did blink out, but I do believe the creators intended to make us wonder if he had, and thus I believe that scene was in Deke's former room. From the interview, it sounds like they were being intentionally ambiguous about it.
If they wanted us to know if he blinked out, they would have shown him either blinking out or still being around after the fact. By doing neither they're definitely being deliberately obfuscous and ambiguous. Probably because they weren't sure if the show was coming back or if it was, whether they'd want to bring the character back.
Anyway, just for fun I did some very quick and dirty back of the envelop calculations to roughly gauge just how powerful Quake is (when hopped up on centepede juice & mummy's DNA.)
Assuming what we saw does indeed mean Talbot's body hit escape velocity in under a second (that's 11.2 k/s, or mach 33!) and using a very rough average human body weight of 70kg (yes, technically he has the mass of at least 4 other people in there, plus the gravitonium, which would doubtlessly screw with any attempt to measure effective mass, but let's just go with this for now) that means a minimum energy output of about 4.39 GigaJoules at the point of contact. For context that's the equivalent of well over a ton of TNT going off, focused into an area no bigger than the palms of her hands.
Not even close to "destroyer of worlds" territory, but only an order of magnitude shy of a nuclear fission explosion.
P.S. It just now occurred to me that Enoch is still alive too. Yay!
P.P.S. I'm pretty sure that bit near the end where Coulson cracks mid-sentence was really Gregg loosing it, and they just left it in.
Anyway, just for fun I did some very quick and dirty back of the envelop calculations to roughly gauge just how powerful Quake is (when hopped up on centepede juice & mummy's DNA.)
Assuming what we saw does indeed mean Talbot's body hit escape velocity in under a second (that's 11.2 k/s, or mach 33!) and using a very rough average human body weight of 70kg (yes, technically he has the mass of at least 4 other people in there, plus the gravitonium, which would doubtlessly screw with any attempt to measure effective mass, but let's just go with this for now) that means a minimum energy output of about 4.39 GigaJoules at the point of contact. For context that's the equivalent of well over a ton of TNT going off, focused into an area no bigger than the palms of her hands.
Not even close to "destroyer of worlds" territory, but only an order of magnitude shy of a nuclear fission explosion.
P.S. It just now occurred to me that Enoch is still alive too. Yay!
P.P.S. I'm pretty sure that bit near the end where Coulson cracks mid-sentence was really Gregg loosing it, and they just left it in.
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Was very bummed that Fitz died; he was my favorite character. But...if they bring back Frozen Fits (day THAT 5 times fast!) then we will get nice Fitz and not Dark-side Fitz AND they can get married again.
No, it'll still be Dark-side Fitz, because his dark side came from his time in the Framework last season, before he was frozen. True, he'll be innocent of the act of performing forcible surgery on Daisy, but he'll still have the same inner drives that made him capable of that act.
My thoughts exactly! And there was much rejoicing!
I forgot about Enoch as well. That's great!
So the time loop wasn't completely closed. More like "Cause and Effect" from TNG than, say, Time's Arrow" from TNG.
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I enjoyed this season quite a bit. Season 4 is still my favorite.
With the renewal and episode reduction this could be a win/win. Cancellation could've and arguably justifiably come sooner so the news of next year is no more ominous than any other "signs".
Some fairly easy outs for next year it seems. Unfreeze Fritz and events of A4 bring May/Coulson back from retirement. Since it will be a summer show I'd like to see the evolution of Team Super SHIELD ramp it up. Can we get 'Mockingbird' now, Orville is on hiatus? Can we get Deathlok? Surely J.August is available during that filming period as well. Have Ghost Rider in a few cameo roles + maybe give me one more new character to develop in our short season and I'll be extra pleased.
With the renewal and episode reduction this could be a win/win. Cancellation could've and arguably justifiably come sooner so the news of next year is no more ominous than any other "signs".
Some fairly easy outs for next year it seems. Unfreeze Fritz and events of A4 bring May/Coulson back from retirement. Since it will be a summer show I'd like to see the evolution of Team Super SHIELD ramp it up. Can we get 'Mockingbird' now, Orville is on hiatus? Can we get Deathlok? Surely J.August is available during that filming period as well. Have Ghost Rider in a few cameo roles + maybe give me one more new character to develop in our short season and I'll be extra pleased.