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Agents of SHIELD season 5

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At the rate his power is growing, could Talbot's Graviton beat Fox Magneto? I mean, Graviton wouldn't need to get around Magneto's shield to gravity-kill him since the field only blocks stuff thrown at Magneto and his own gravity field would stop any metal Magneto throws at him...presuming he can't just absorb the metals tossed at him into his body anyways.

Apparently Talbot is capable of destroying Earth from what the show is getting at.
 
Anwar said:
Answer question.

At the rate his power is growing, could Talbot's Graviton beat Fox Magneto? I mean, Graviton wouldn't need to get around Magneto's shield to gravity-kill him since the field only blocks stuff thrown at Magneto and his own gravity field would stop any metal Magneto throws at him...presuming he can't just absorb the metals tossed at him into his body anyways.

Apparently Talbot is capable of destroying Earth from what the show is getting at.
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^Is the idea really that Talbot ripped the planet apart himself, or is that simply what happens when you try to mess with that much gravitonium under a planet's crust....while possibly drugged up on Kree kamikaze juice?

Difficult to draw a parallel but if we want to go the purely scientific route, I'm pretty sure magnetism is an inherently stronger force than gravity. I mean a tiny little magnetised rock is more than enough to counteract the gravity well of an entire planetary mass, no?
 
Reverend said:
^Is the idea really that Talbot ripped the planet apart himself, or is that simply what happens when you try to mess with that much gravitonium under a planet's crust....while possibly drugged up on Kree kamikaze juice?
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Probably the latter. Talbot/Graviton is powered by gravitonium, and adding that much more gravitonium would charge him up to planet-killer levels.


Difficult to draw a parallel but if we want to go the purely scientific route, I'm pretty sure magnetism is an inherently stronger force than gravity. I mean a tiny little magnetised rock is more than enough to counteract the gravity well of an entire planetary mass, no?
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Yup. Gravitation is the weakest of the four fundamental forces by a huge margin, electromagnetism the second-strongest. EM is 100 trillion trillion trillion times as strong as gravitation.

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/FundamentalForces.html

On the other hand, gravitonium seems to be able to amplify or concentrate gravity, or else generate an exceptionally strong variant of it, otherwise someone of Talbot's mass could never exert the effects shown. So ordinary physics doesn't exactly apply here.
 
Christopher said:
On the other hand, gravitonium seems to be able to amplify or concentrate gravity, or else generate an exceptionally strong variant of it, otherwise someone of Talbot's mass could never exert the effects shown. So ordinary physics doesn't exactly apply here.
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Pretty believable, actually. If a hypothetical graviton exists as a mediating particle, gravity is still so weak that gravitons are insanely rare, so rare they would never be detected. From the article, “For example, a detector with the mass of Jupiter and 100% efficiency, placed in close orbit around a neutron star, would only be expected to observe one graviton every 10 years, even under the most favorable conditions.”

So Graviton would have to produce like one graviton particle to bring the whole solar system down? :lol:

Probably an exaggerated interpretation of the snipped, but it still provides one way manipulating gravity could be tremendous because it is weak.
 
Gravitons can't be rare, since they're the exchange particle for gravitation, and gravitation pervades the universe. They're just so weak that they'd be incredibly hard to detect. Much like neutrinos -- billions of them have passed through your body in the time it took you to read this phrase, but they're so weakly interacting that it takes a huge tank of water operating for a significant length of time to detect the occasional few.
 
Yeah, my grasp on quantum theory is loose to say the least, but my understanding of the difficulties of directly detecting a (still very theoretical) graviton is not so much that they're rare but that they *barely* interact with anything physically and physical interaction is required for observation to work.
 
Well, of course, detecting the effect of gravitons en masse is literally as easy as falling off a log. ;) But teasing the signal of an individual one out of the mass (so to speak) is a lot trickier.
 
Turtletrekker said:
There will be no dealing with Fallout from Avengers 4. The entirety of season 6 will take place and air after Avengers 4.
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Nowhere in that article contains any quotes from ABC saying the season is not addressing the film. The TV Line article from Enterprise is Great kind of says that, but its more of a non-denial denial.

I know it's still a long shot, but it hasn't been ruled out either
 
Emh said:
Nowhere in that article contains any quotes from ABC saying the season is not addressing the film. The TV Line article from Enterprise is Great kind of says that, but its more of a non-denial denial.

I know it's still a long shot, but it hasn't been ruled out either
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I meant fallout from Infinity War, not Avengers 4. That's what I get for posting while getting ready for work. Meaning essentially they're not going to be dealing with the snapture directly until the movies do at the very least.

ETA-- I edited my original post to hopefully avoid the same confusion. Sorry.
 
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If season 6 airs after Avengers 4, then I definitely think Coulson is getting snapped in the season 5 finale.
 
Christopher said:
Gravitons can't be rare, since they're the exchange particle for gravitation, and gravitation pervades the universe.
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And I was there wondering why nothing seems to make sense with gravitons being as rare, believing my basic understanding of physics was at fault, not that I was looking at this totally the wrong way. :ouch: I guess given that gravitons need to be exchanged on every gravitational interaction, it was more than foolish, no matter how ill-lettered I'm on photon exchanges in EM interactions or their involvement in creating EM fields. Some need to get around, regardless of the details.

Though I'm still wondering what mechanisms Talbot-style hacking of gravity may need.
 
Good having the season come out after Avengers 4 is the only way to make it work.
Since we know there is going to be reversal of snaptured people, and potentially erasure of 10 years of history after the snap,
AOS can't go forward until we see what the Status Quo is after Avengers 4.
 
Reverend said:
^Is the idea really that Talbot ripped the planet apart himself, or is that simply what happens when you try to mess with that much gravitonium under a planet's crust....while possibly drugged up on Kree kamikaze juice?

Difficult to draw a parallel but if we want to go the purely scientific route, I'm pretty sure magnetism is an inherently stronger force than gravity. I mean a tiny little magnetised rock is more than enough to counteract the gravity well of an entire planetary mass, no?
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I'm just going with the powers we've seen Magneto use in the movies thus far. So far it's less Magnetism and really more metal manipulation. The way Graviton's powers work in the MCU, he doesn't need to manipulate anything to kill people. So if it came down to a fight I think Talbot would win...he'd just crush Erik and nothing metallic Erik throws at Talbot would hurt him because he'd either absorb it or stop it with his Gravity field.
 
UssGlenn said:
AOS can't go forward until we see what the Status Quo is after Avengers 4.
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So are all the other MCU TV shows -- the five on Netflix, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways -- going to pretend they're set before Infinity War, or just gloss over the whole question?
 
Christopher said:
So are all the other MCU TV shows -- the five on Netflix, Cloak and Dagger, Runaways -- going to pretend they're set before Infinity War, or just gloss over the whole question?
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The Netflix shows up to Defenders were set before Civil War, meaning if the next seasons are set right after Defenders then it's 2 years before Infinity War.

We don't know how the changes to fix things in IW2 will take effect, if it's a timeline reset then it won't matter to the shows as they'll all be in the post-reset timeline.
 
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