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Agents of SHIELD season 5

That "we're invinsable" mantra Jemma keeps using is all kinds of ominous. But on the other hand, look at what they did with Ward.

I can see Deke really dying in the present since he'll be born again as long as nothing happens his grandparents. Maybe he'll die saving them.

The actor who plays Creel must work out 24-7 because he is ripped up.

Daisy in charge does remind me of Coulson.

I wonder why Fitz didn't just tell Daisy that Quake was the only one who could condense the Gravitonium a few episodes ago. She has always shown the type of heroism that it would have taken to risk her life to go through the procedure. Even though it was coo seeing Leopold again, it struck me as odd that he Fit would not trust Daisy to do the right thing.
 
I really don't know what to make of this time-loop business now, especially where Gemma is concerned. She is convinced that she and Fitz are invulnerable, yet everything she is doing is toward the goal of breaking the time loop, which would make her not invulnerable. Which is it?

One thing for sure is that Mack is going to be even less forgiving about this than Daisy was with Fitz. He's threatened to leave SHIELD a few times before and I think this will be the last straw. I don't see him trusting YoYo or FitzSimmons ever again-- and, come to think of it, Daisy will likely have some problems with them as well. How will this play out, especially if the show gets another season? And there are rumors that it will.

Too bad Creel didn't get away from Hale-- I wonder what will happen to him now? But at least Coulson and Talbot are free, if a bit chilly. Poor Talbot is a mess, but still a tough guy, and still funny.

It's interesting that Robin stopped drawing for a few weeks. Was it while SHIELD was away in the future? How long were they gone? I wonder if she stopped drawing because the future was in flux. The last thing she drew was her own death, but perhaps she'll start drawing a different future now. She recognized May as her mommy, but then she went back to her real mother.
 
Turtletrekker said:
There just aren't words for how dramatically unsatisfying that would be on so many levels. It would be better to drop the plotline entirely.
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They've avoided the plotline for most of the past 5 years. They thought this might be the last season, so they chose to find a way to follow up on it at last rather than leaving it forever unresolved, which would've been even more unsatisfying to many fans. TV writing is a process of compromise. An imperfect resolution is better than no resolution.
 
Hey, everyone! I'm finally all caught up!

It's been good stuff as always, though the movie ranch/backlot filming for the Lighthouse town was pretty painful, and, as everyone's pointed out, this whole year is effectively a bottle season. The writers have been admirably covering for it, but if the show gets its long-shot renewal (which would make a kind of sense, to conclude the OG movie Avengers era and its TV spin-off when not-Infinity War Pt. II comes out next summer), I wonder how they'll be able to keep compensating without a budget increase/episode count reduction.

The safe house from S2 returns! I was shouting all through last episode that Daisy was going to get Robin's mother killed, and wondering why May didn't point out the likelihood of that happening.

And, really, Fitz invented their auto-pilot software? Surely SHIELD has had that for some time? It's far simpler to fly a plane than drive through a city, after all; isn't the only reason we don't have drone commercial planes peoples' anxieties, rather than the tech?

Christopher said:
Really, I wonder why Hale even considers her group to be Hydra, when she pretty much turned her back on everything Hydra had been.
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Well, as the saying emphasizes, it's many heads, not many arms/tentacles. As we've seen, Hydra seems to be defined by whoever's running whichever's particular fiefdom at the given moment. Didn't Reinhardt/Whitehall view the Hive sub-cult as quackery?

Guy Gardener said:
Shouldn't Jemma been able to have opened that door without Mack's help or humiliating Mack?
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I was thinking Elena could have simply robot-punched the door down. I also thought that Elena and Jemma would have agreed which glass not to drink beforehand, but I guess that wasn't the case?

And Talbot's return was indeed awesome - he's somewhat broken, sure, but still a Big Damn Hero and Magnificent Bastard to his core. :D
 
This show should not get renewal. It's the best time to end. The bottle show production values are really weak.

Also, the villains of the current Hydra arc (Hale and Ruby) may be the lamest in the entire series. It diminishes the show's quality streak of past seasons.

It's a shame for AOS to end this way, but I don't want it to get worse... for the sake of the Marvel brand.
 
Well, as I said in the OP, I was surprised that we got a fifth season, but Disney had legitimate reasons (Synergy, cross promotion) for wanting it to continue. If the show gets a sixth season, I'm sure it will also be for very legitimate reasons that neither the studio nor the network are obligated to share with anyone nor make anyone else understand. Also, people just put far too much importance into live viewership numbers, which is only one of many considerations in 2018 for television executives. Agents of Shield is streaming gold.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Well, as I said in the OP, I was surprised that we got a fifth season, but Disney had legitimate reasons (Synergy, cross promotion) for wanting it to continue. If the show gets a sixth season, I'm sure it will also be for very legitimate reasons that neither the studio nor the network are obligated to share with anyone nor make anyone else understand.
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I thought they had shared their reasons, and they were the same ones you cited for the fifth-season renewal. As long as the Avengers movies are hits, ABC wants something on their network that ties into them. And Inhumans was a flop, so AoS is still all they've got.
 
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Christopher said:
I thought they had xhared their reasons, and they were the same ones you cited for the fifth-season renewal. As long as the Avengers movies are hits, ABC wants something on their network that ties into them. And Inhumans was a flop, so AoS is still all they've got.
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Inhumans was indeed a flop, but was watched by slightly more people than the current season of agents of shield. Unless you mean creative flop.
 
crookeddy said:
Inhumans was indeed a flop, but was watched by slightly more people than the current season of agents of shield. Unless you mean creative flop.
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And, once again, you are not taking into account the importance of streaming numbers. Or are you just deliberately ignoring that point?
 
There's someone in charge of broadcast on TV and there's someone in charge streaming on the internet, and they both get the same product from someone in charge of making Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., who all have the same boss trying to maximise profit.
 
crookeddy said:
They are not relevant to renewal decisions.
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When the studio producing the show and the network airing it are corporate siblings, the performance of the show outside of the network is indeed taken into consideration. Live viewing numbers are bad (a negative for the network), but when the 7 days of DVR viewing are added, AOS has maintained it's 18-49 demo numbers from it's old Tuesday night timeslot (positive for the studio). Throw in profits from international licensing and syndication to Netflix US after the season ends, and that bolsters the case for continuing.
 
Streamers get different advertising, or pay subscriptions.

Overall popularity is one metric, which is not that important to advertising revenue, if you can watch the episodes without having to watch the adverts accompanying the broadcast version.
 
Why not just switch the show to a streaming service if they don't feel they can get the most money from it from running it on ABC? Would that be DIsney? When does their service go up and they bring all-things Marvel to the place?

Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
Why not just switch the show to a streaming service if they don't feel they can get the most money from it from running it on ABC? Would that be DIsney? When does their service go up and they bring all-things Marvel to the place?

Jason
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Never. Disney needs maximum exposure for Marvel to sell the MCU on the big screen.
 
At this point I think the Marvel name is enough to sell the MCU.. They could do a movie about the guy playing video games on his monitor in the first "Avengers" movie and it will sill make millions and millions of dollars.

Jason
 
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