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Agents of SHIELD season 5

I caught up with my marathon run of seasons 4 & 5. The Fitzsimmons arc has been excellent. They are, by far, the highlight of the series and standouts in the entire MCU imo . I love those characters and actors. Overall, not a fan of season 5 like I was 4 . Def think the Hydra thing is misdirection.
 
I really hope this is not the end.

What I love most about Agents of Shield are the character interactions and dialogue...it feels so real and that they are a family (definite the Chloe Bennett and Clark Gregg lip synch battle a while back is proof to me).

Also the makers of fans of the entire Sci Fi & fantasy genre and I love it.

I sure would like another season though if they could tone down a couple things so my newly 13 year old can continue
 
The actress who played the young Hale was fantastic. Her reaction to Whitehall telling her that, for all her hard work and accomplishments, the Hydra patriarchy still only valued her as an incubator -- that was a superb performance.

They keep finding ways to tell stories that are mostly confined to the Lighthouse and Hale's base. This time, they took advantage of the limitation by telling parallel stories taking place in the same settings over time, but the need to work within a tight budget -- to do what's practically a whole bottle season -- remains evident. If the show does get another season, I hope they get a little more money to spend on sets and locations so they don't have to be so claustrophobic. I'm getting a little tired of all the corridors.

Nice to see that Talbot survived -- and surprising to see how loyal he's gotten to SHIELD. I hope we see more of him. Hey, between Adrian Pasdar and Brianna Venskus, that's two actors who are juggling recurring gigs on Agents of SHIELD and Supergirl this season.
 
And to some extent, Hale's gotten validation, revenge, proof of her own value...and as a result she stands in a position to achieve what her predecessors couldn't. If she can see past the blind spots that she's been taught to have.
 
Hey, between Adrian Pasdar and Brianna Venskus, that's two actors who are juggling recurring gigs on Agents of SHIELD and Supergirl this season.

I hadn't realized they were the same guy. I suppose the voice should've given it away, but the haircut and mustache really made a difference.
 
Another excellent flashback episode, this time for Hale. This episode really fleshed out the character, which perhaps should've been done a little sooner, even if I don't know how it could've been naturally within the narrative.

Loved seeing Talbot again and how loyal he's become towards SHIELD and Coulson in particularly, as well never believing that Daisy actually shot him. I felt sorry for him that Ruby managed to break him over six months. I wonder if there's any way for him to recover from that kind of humiliation, especially as a POW. His career was already over, as noted by Hale, but that kind of shame isn't something someone can easily overcome, especially someone as prideful as he is.

I enjoyed seeing two more takes on the "new arrival wanders in the cafeteria and is ignored by Ruby picking out food" shtick, as well as seeing how Talbot's and Coulson's reactions to Ruby varied so much from each other and Von Strucker. Coulson's grading of the situation was especially amusing.

Sitwell! Even though I knew Whitehall was returning, I didn't expect to see a young version of Sitwell. I love continuity nods like that, especially for someone who originated in the movies.

Daisy asked a question during tonight's episode that is SO damn loaded right now...
I thought the same thing. :(

The actress who played the young Hale was fantastic. Her reaction to Whitehall telling her that, for all her hard work and accomplishments, the Hydra patriarchy still only valued her as an incubator -- that was a superb performance.
Agreed. I was sicken (but utterly unsurprised) by Whitehall's desires for her and Alyssa Jirrels' reaction conveyed all the right emotions in a single moment. Disgust, fury, disappointment. It was then I understood Hale and her motivations, and suddenly she became a three-dimensional character. Nothing against Catherine Dent, who has done a good job with the limited material she's gotten, but Jirrels really sold the character in that scene.

And to some extent, Hale's gotten validation, revenge, proof of her own value...and as a result she stands in a position to achieve what her predecessors couldn't. If she can see past the blind spots that she's been taught to have.
I feel the same way. For one brief moment, I thought she and Coulson would work things out, but she completely dismissed Coulson's claim of visiting the future. A bit ludicrous sounding, as he said, but surely it's something she would be willing to hear out considering all the things she's seen over the years.
 
Can someone please explain why Coulson is suddenly pushing Daisy as the one to replace him as director of SHIELD in the near future? Not Melinda May, not Alphonso Mackenzie and not even Leo Fitz or Simmons. But Daisy . . . the same woman who only has less than five years experience as a SHIELD agent, who is not even 30 years old yet, and who has a penchant for being rash and temperamental? Why is he pushing her to become the new director so soon?

For years, I had ignored the accusations that Skye aka Daisy Johnson aka Quake was the show’s Mary Sue. I began harboring suspicions when the show runners made Andrew Garner’s death more about Daisy than Melinda May, who was the man’s ex-wife. But this new story arc about Daisy becoming the new SHIELD director once Coulson bites the dust in the near future . . . this was the last straw.

This is just ridiculous. Typical MCU. Just when you think they’ve got control of the story, they screw it up with something stupid.
 
OK, so the Hydra thing wasn't a misdirect...not exactly anyway. I like that it's basically one surviving agent trying to pick up the pieces and do better than her predecessors. She's basically in a similar position Coulson was in 3 or 4 years ago.

Loved seeing Talbot again and how loyal he's become towards SHIELD and Coulson in particularly, as well never believing that Daisy actually shot him. I felt sorry for him that Ruby managed to break him over six months. I wonder if there's any way for him to recover from that kind of humiliation, especially as a POW. His career was already over, as noted by Hale, but that kind of shame isn't something someone can easily overcome, especially someone as prideful as he is.
I was impressed at how well Pasdar balanced his performance between the pompous buffoon Talbot's always been with the vulnerable, 'Regarding Henry' aspect of his affliction. He's always managed to make Talbot entertaining, but now he's actually likeable and sympathetic.

Also isn't there some comic story where Talbot gets turned into the Red Hulk? Maybe he's going to be the one to go inside that machine.
Sitwell! Even though I knew Whitehall was returning, I didn't expect to see a young version of Sitwell. I love continuity nods like that, especially for someone who originated in the movies.

The casting for young Sitwell was freakishly spot on. I knew that was going to be him the second I saw him.

n someone please explain why Coulson is suddenly pushing Daisy as the one to replace him as director of SHIELD in the near future? Not Melinda May, not Alphonso Mackenzie and not even Leo Fitz or Simmons. But Daisy . . . the same woman who only has less than five years experience as a SHIELD agent, who is not even 30 years old yet, and who has a penchant for being rash and temperamental? Why is he pushing her to become the new director so soon?

All of those others are specialists and May is too old to be the future of the agency. Daisy has grown a *lot* in just 5 years and shows real leadership potential. Plus, like Coulson, she's a true idealist.
 
Coulson hasn't been suddenly pushing Daisy, he's been talking about it for awhile. It's probably because Daisy is a team leader in the comics and was once head of SHIELD.
 
Slightly morbid detail: I'm pretty sure the dog was the same breed as the one Garrett gave to Ward, with pretty much the same result.
HYDRA owned a prep school.

Let that sink in a moment.

HYDRA owned a prep school.
That actually makes a lot of sense and makes the extent of Hydra's infiltration way more credible. Also, very reminiscent of the Red Room and reminds me that we never did find out if Leviathan had any relation to Hydra...
 
And Adrian Pasdar / Talbot is the only actor /supporting character to appear in all five seasons.

Oh. Somehow I had the impression he didn't show up until season 2 or so. But now that I think about it, I guess he came in after the Hydra reveal, didn't he?


Loved seeing Talbot again and how loyal he's become towards SHIELD and Coulson in particularly, as well never believing that Daisy actually shot him. I felt sorry for him that Ruby managed to break him over six months. I wonder if there's any way for him to recover from that kind of humiliation, especially as a POW. His career was already over, as noted by Hale, but that kind of shame isn't something someone can easily overcome, especially someone as prideful as he is.

I gather from something I read once that the military understands that people can't be expected to hold up forever under torture, that staying alive is ultimately a more important goal than keeping secrets. Of course, even if the military doesn't blame Talbot, that doesn't mean he won't blame himself.


Sitwell! Even though I knew Whitehall was returning, I didn't expect to see a young version of Sitwell. I love continuity nods like that, especially for someone who originated in the movies.

More precisely, whose MCU version originated in the movies, because Jasper Sitwell has been around in the Nick Fury comics since 1966. Although the comics' Sitwell is a true-blue good guy.


Agreed. I was sicken (but utterly unsurprised) by Whitehall's desires for her and Alyssa Jirrels' reaction conveyed all the right emotions in a single moment. Disgust, fury, disappointment. It was then I understood Hale and her motivations, and suddenly she became a three-dimensional character. Nothing against Catherine Dent, who has done a good job with the limited material she's gotten, but Jirrels really sold the character in that scene.

Thanks for her name. Looks like she's a relative newcomer -- although, like Dove Cameron, she's a veteran of a show on one of Disney's cable channels.

Really, I wonder why Hale even considers her group to be Hydra, when she pretty much turned her back on everything Hydra had been. I mean, she's basically Kylo Ren in The Last Jedi here -- urging her enemy to abandon the failed power structures of the past and join her in building a new future. But I guess she sees it as reforming Hydra into what it should be rather than renouncing it altogether. And that inability to completely let go of her indoctrinated beliefs is what limits her thinking.


I feel the same way. For one brief moment, I thought she and Coulson would work things out, but she completely dismissed Coulson's claim of visiting the future. A bit ludicrous sounding, as he said, but surely it's something she would be willing to hear out considering all the things she's seen over the years.

Well, look at it from her perspective. If it had come from an unbiased source, she might have listened, but in this context, it just sounded too much like an excuse Coulson would make up to refuse her offer and protect his agent.

Also, consider it in light of what we now know about her backstory. For the second time (that we saw), she strove to convince a man she respected that her point of view had merit, only for him to shut her down completely, refuse even to listen, and insist that she had to conform to his agenda. We know that Coulson had good reason to be so adamant in rejecting her proposal, but she doesn't know that, so it just feels like another arrogant male refusing to take her seriously. She would've seen Coulson's claims about seeing the future as more of the same gaslighting and mansplaining she's been getting from the Hydra boys' club her whole life.


HYDRA owned a prep school.

Let that sink in a moment.

HYDRA owned a prep school.

That actually does not surprise me in the least.
 
All of those others are specialists and May is too old to be the future of the agency.

May is too old? She's only in her 50s right now. She's at the right age to take control of SHIELD, if Coulson bites the dust. Hell, both him and May are too young to retire anyway.

Besides, I'm talking about the near future . . . in a month or two down the road. Right now, Daisy is TOO YOUNG, she's too inexperienced and she's also too immature. Christ, May had to lecture Daisy on keeping her emotions in check and falling back on her training . . . in this episode. Mack has already proven that he's capable of being a leader in both Season 3 and earlier this season. Jemma had experience being a top SHIELD official in early Season 4.

Coulson hasn't been suddenly pushing Daisy, he's been talking about it for awhile. It's probably because Daisy is a team leader in the comics and was once head of SHIELD.

So what? That was the comics. And honestly? The idea of Daisy being SHIELD's director at a young age is utterly ridiculous! Whoever wrote that must have been high on drugs or wallowing in LaLa Land.

This is all bullshit. If Daisy ends up leading the others at the end of this season, I'll have no choice but to regard this whole thing as a complete failure.
 
Regarding Coulson trying to push up Daisy (yeah, i said it), it's because, well, he WILL be pushing up Daisies real soon. And while he trusts everyone, everyone else work best as assisting a leader. And Coulson has been a father to her these years..though as a parallel with Hale, this becomes something more of her choice and truly honoring her "dad".

Also, when she was a hacker, didn't she kinda lead that movement? So she has a BIT of leadership experience, and and having enough self control to only be caught by a super spy agency.

And speaking of bad puns...i love how they spoke what i was thinking about 5 minutes earlier .. "Hale, Hydra"

And Fitz complaining that his daughter gave birth to a Deke

Again, that writing is so sharp, and with the delivery too...

I also agree with everyone... the younger versions of Hale & Sitwell were perfect.

If they end the show, it will be done well..but we really need more stuff like this.


Can someone refresh me on the Confederacy and who they are fighting?
 
Regarding Coulson trying to push up Daisy (yeah, i said it), it's because, well, he WILL be pushing up Daisies real soon. And while he trusts everyone, everyone else work best as assisting a leader. And Coulson has been a father to her these years..though as a parallel with Hale, this becomes something more of her choice and truly honoring her "dad".


This is just plain stupid to me. Melinda May is qualified to be a leader. Alphonso Mackenzie is qualified. So is Jemma Simmons. Daisy IS NOT. Not now. She's too damn immature and impulsive to be SHIELD's new director if this show ends in May. And if this the direction that Mutant Enemy/Marvel is going, screw this show. God! The MCU is developing a real talent for ruining a good story with bad writing.
 
That actually makes a lot of sense and makes the extent of Hydra's infiltration way more credible. Also, very reminiscent of the Red Room and reminds me that we never did find out if Leviathan had any relation to Hydra...

My sense of things from Agent Carter, Winter Soldier and Civil War was that Leviathan was pretty much riddled with HYDRA takeover people by the time of Winter Soldier. There were reasons why Barnes was kept locked up in Siberia between murder missions, after all.
 
My sense of things from Agent Carter, Winter Soldier and Civil War was that Leviathan was pretty much riddled with HYDRA takeover people by the time of Winter Soldier. There were reasons why Barnes was kept locked up in Siberia between murder missions, after all.
That or Leviathan was always a tentacle of Hydra from the get-go.
 
On the Daisy-as-leader discussion, I don't think her qualifications have anything to do with ability. At least not for Coulson. Coulson has become something of a zealot over the last few years. Stating repeatedly that there must always be a Shield (less of an organization, SHIELD, than a literal thing standing between people and stuff). Daisy is the only other true believer in the group, and also, the only one with the charisma to keep the group together after Coulson kicks it.

I think that's Phil's underlying thought. Without him, who keeps the team together? Daisy is the only one who could keep them from all drifting off into their own little dramas. She's the only other truly unifying force in the group. We've already seen FitzSimmons, and May, and Mack tempted to drift away from SHIELD. But could they leave Daisy? She's become, along with Coulson, the beating heart of the group.

So it doesn't have anything to do with being ready. She can learn those things from the people around her, and have her worst impulses tempered by their wisdom and experience. It has more to do with being the only one that can keep the rest of the team together and unified.
 
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