Agents of SHIELD season 5

[Christopher]

I think that's Phil's underlying thought. Without him, who keeps the team together? Daisy is the only one who could keep them from all drifting off into their own little dramas. She's the only other truly unifying force in the group. We've already seen FitzSimmons, and May, and Mack tempted to drift away from SHIELD. But could they leave Daisy? She's become, along with Coulson, the beating heart of the group.

So it doesn't have anything to do with being ready. She can learn those things from the people around her, and have her worst impulses tempered by their wisdom and experience. It has more to do with being the only one that can keep the rest of the team together and unified.

Well, I think it was mentioned in an earlier episode that what disqualifies May from taking over is her leg injury; she's no longer able to lead a team into action. (Unless she wants to trade up for one of those leftover android legs they have lying around now...) But she's taught Daisy everything she knows.

 

[USS Firefly]

I would have chosen May or Mack over Daisy, Daisy is too much a loose canon.

 

[Kane_Steel]

Daisy should be a field commander, but definitely not the Director. She's too young, inexperienced and impulsive. Phil was twice her age and three times more experienced when Fury made him Director.

Mack or May are the best choices to take over as Director. Both have proven strong options in the past as successful acting Directors in Phil's absence. Ideally, the Director should not be in the field anyway. They should be in the command Ops calling the shots.



All that being said, whatever happens on this show really doesn't matter. AOS has no bearing on the MCU films. I doubt Feige and the MCU films will ever acknowledge SHIELD again. They could end the series with Director Daisy, and it would never been mentioned again in the future. SHIELD will remain underground.

 

[Caretaker]

AOS has no bearing on the MCU films. I doubt Feige and the MCU films will ever acknowledge SHIELD again. They could end the series with Director Daisy, and it would never been mentioned again in the future. SHIELD will remain underground.

"It's all connected. Unless it airs on ABC, Freeform, Hulu, Netflix, Blu-Rays and DVDs or the Internet in general."

 

[Kane_Steel]

To be fair, the 'It's all connected' mantra is outdated.

Feige has split ways with Marvel TV, so the movies will never acknowledge the TV shows. There was a major fallout between Feige and Perlmutter.

The TV shows are 'adjuncts' to the MCU proper. The same way the upcoming Sony Venom film aims to be.

Basically, at this point... if Feige didn't produce it... it's not MCU.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

It's cheating that the alien in the shadows is the same actor from a previous Marvel movie but seemingly playing a different character.
When my sister and I first saw him at the end of 2 episodes ago, she asked "Alien?" to which I replied "No, it can't be, they showed just enough of the actor to show he's one of General Ross' soldiers."
The latest episode shows him as an alien.

 

[Reverend]

Daisy is an idealist and a born leader. Everyone else is either a follower or too pragmatic to be well suited for the role.
As for being a "loose cannon", did Nick Fury strike anyone as being fanatically by-the-book? That guy had off-book projects, operations and assets galore. Thinking outside the box and seeing the exploit nobody else can is both an enormously valuable skill for a spy master, and something that's been central to Daisy's character since she still went by Skye.

 

[David cgc]

On the Daisy-as-leader discussion, I don't think her qualifications have anything to do with ability.

Don't forget, Coulson was also a big proponent that the director of SHIELD should be an (apparent) Inhuman, so they didn't seem so much like jackbooted thugs oppressing the superhuman-class.

 

[Christopher]

It's cheating that the alien in the shadows is the same actor from a previous Marvel movie but seemingly playing a different character.

What? Yes, Peter Mensah did play General Greller in The Incredible Hulk, but he's far from the only actor who's played two roles in the MCU. Alfre Woodard and Tony Curran are notable examples. Mensah's not even the first guest actor this season to have had a prior MCU role. Dominic Rains (Kasius) previously had a bit role as a CIA instructor in The Winter Soldier.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

What? Yes, Peter Mensah did play General Greller in The Incredible Hulk, but he's far from the only actor who's played two roles in the MCU. Alfre Woodard and Tony Curran are notable examples. Mensah's not even the first guest actor this season to have had a prior MCU role. Dominic Rains (Kasius) previously had a bit role as a CIA instructor in The Winter Soldier.

Yeah, but when the character is mostly in shadow making you wonder who it might be, it's not very fair.

Not in an angrifying way, mind you, just being playful.

Alfre Woodward was literally a casting mistake (RDJ suggested her before they realized she was already cast in Cage) and the others were obviously not meant to be the same character from first glance or at least, first line of dialogue. So I view it as being a bit different than those cases. Again, mostly because of all the shadows and mystery, of which nobody else really had.

 

[Christopher]

Oh, I see what you mean. For myself, I had no memory that Mensah had been in TIH. So my reaction was just "Oh, it's Peter Mensah."

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Oh, I see what you mean. For myself, I had no memory that Mensah had been in TIH. So my reaction was just "Oh, it's Peter Mensah."

It's okay, I enjoy that Hulk movie more than anybody should

 

[Greg Cox]

It's cheating that the alien in the shadows is the same actor from a previous Marvel movie but seemingly playing a different character.
.

Um, this kind of thing happens all the time. The original STAR TREK, for instance, routinely used the same guest-actors over and over, playing different characters, as did the later shows. See Mark Lenard, William Campbell, Diana Muldaur, Morgan Woodward, Majel Barrett, Suzy Plakson, James Cromwell, etc.

It's not "cheating." It's theater, show-biz, acting. A certain willing suspension of disbelief comes with the territory.

 

[Marc]

It's not "cheating." It's theater, show-biz, acting. A certain willing suspension of disbelief comes with the territory.

sometimes it can be due to having a comparatively small pool of actors to pull from (as happened when Law & Order filmed in New York), others it can be actor turns in a good performance or is simply a pleasure to work with so they want to have them back.

 

[Christopher]

sometimes it can be due to having a comparatively small pool of actors to pull from (as happened when Law & Order filmed in New York), others it can be actor turns in a good performance or is simply a pleasure to work with so they want to have them back.

In this case, though, that doesn't really apply, because Marvel movies and Marvel TV are two different production units. That's the reason for the dual Alfre Woodard casting M'rk mentioned above -- one hand didn't know what the other was doing. Indeed, most of the major dual castings have been movie actors who were then cast in a different role on TV (or vice-versa) -- Woodard, Rains, Tony Curran in Thor: The Dark World and Daredevil, Enver Gjokaj in The Avengers and Agent Carter, and now Mensah.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was thinking, wow, Dove is shucking off the Disney yolk, good for her..., but then I realised, that no she isn't... The bright little blonde from Liv and Maddie is still firmly in the employ of the Mouse.

 

[Greg Cox]

This is where I point out that Patrick McGoohan played four different killers on COLUMBO back in the day and nobody cared. And yet Mensah can't be cast in another Marvel production because he appeared in a HULK movie ten years ago?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Christopher]

^As M'rk clarified above, his problem wasn't with double-casting in general, just that he remembered Mensah playing a US general in The Incredible Hulk and therefore assumed that the unidentified character talking to Hale was that same general. So it was about the specific role of a general rather than the general practice... okay, now I'm confused again.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

This is where I point out that Patrick McGoohan played four different killers on COLUMBO back in the day and nobody cared. And yet Mensah can't be cast in another Marvel production because he appeared in a HULK movie ten years ago?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

In a franchise where minor characters are reused and grow (Coulsen, Sitwell, etc), why is a stretch?

At the very least, using him again is fine, just don't play up the shadows and mystery of someone we already recognize.

 

[Christopher]

In a franchise where minor characters are reused and grow (Coulsen, Sitwell, etc), why is a stretch?

Good point. Gideon Malick was an unnamed bit character in The Avengers, and AoS gave him a name and turned him into a major nemesis. So it could've been the return of General Greller in a larger role. But, of course, it wasn't. Apparently the Confederacy representative he's playing is named Qovas.