Agents of SHIELD season 5
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hmm, I always thought Yo-Yo was a TV exclusive character as well.
I don't think a lot of people realize that Mack is sort of a comics character (Alphonso Mackenzie) to. I think it's one of those situations where they took an old name and put it on a new character. As far as I know the characters have almost nothing in common other than both being S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.
Right. Same with Lance Hunter, who's nothing like his namesake (the John Steed-like head of the British equivalent of SHIELD). Or Roger Dooley, Peggy's boss in the first season of Agent Carter. In the comics, he was a present-day SHIELD agent who appeared in exactly one graphic novel where he forced She-Hulk to submit to a strip search and was then killed by a horde of sentient cockroaches. Also, Peggy's love interest in season 2, the scientist who became intangible, was based on a character from a single story in a Marvel sci-fi anthology.
It used to be that TV adaptations of comics rarely used established comics characters beyond the leads, but now, it's kind of rare to get a character who isn't based on at least the name of a pre-existing comics character. I suspect that's because DC and Marvel are now producing the shows directly and want to avoid having to pay too many royalties to writers who create new characters, or something like that. Or maybe it's just because the makers of the shows now have a more direct line to the comics companies and can more easily find out about pre-existing characters they can use. Or it's a mix of both.
I only just discovered that by accident because he showed up in The Pulse, which I read in preparation for second season of Jessica Jones. Like you said, completely different from the show. You see his name first, so at least I was prepared for him when he showed up and I wasn't so taken aback by his appearance.
I think I think possibly the most obscure Marvel character brought to the screen has been Zandow the strong man.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Zandow_(Earth-616)
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Jerome_Zandow
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Zandow_(Earth-616)
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Jerome_Zandow
The thing that the "putting together a team" line most reminds me of are those bonus scenes in 2008 that turned what could have been a couple of standalone superhero films into the first chapters of the MCU.
Well, that was bad and certainly played against our expectations-- I had assumed that Little Boy Blue was the culprit behind YoYo's missing arms, but it was Teenage Inhuman Ninja Girl. Things are turning very grim for YoYo as we head toward what might be the end of the show, and the last words we heard from her were "everything is coming true." And we still don't know why she thinks that Coulson must die so that Earth may live.
And we have a new alien watcher guy to replace Enoch. It was driving me crazy trying to remember where I had seen him before, but I finally remembered-- he was one of the rotating interns on Bones. It doesn't look like we'll be seeing much more of him, unfortunately, except maybe splattered on the walls. I kind of liked him, so I hope he survives the explosion somehow.
I was assuming all along that one or more of the future characters would return to the present, but it seemed like that ship had sailed, so it was slightly surprising to see the fuzzy mercenary guy appear. I loved his reactions to the present, from his tree hugging to his hamburger munching to his attempt to pay the bill with his implant. For my next prediction, I'll say that they will know that they've saved the future because he will suddenly fade out of existence at some point.
And we have a new alien watcher guy to replace Enoch. It was driving me crazy trying to remember where I had seen him before, but I finally remembered-- he was one of the rotating interns on Bones. It doesn't look like we'll be seeing much more of him, unfortunately, except maybe splattered on the walls. I kind of liked him, so I hope he survives the explosion somehow.
I was assuming all along that one or more of the future characters would return to the present, but it seemed like that ship had sailed, so it was slightly surprising to see the fuzzy mercenary guy appear. I loved his reactions to the present, from his tree hugging to his hamburger munching to his attempt to pay the bill with his implant. For my next prediction, I'll say that they will know that they've saved the future because he will suddenly fade out of existence at some point.
Except he really shouldn't. If they remember that he existed, if that information remains in their brains despite them changing the future, then he should physically remain in existence as well. In real-physics terms, they can't "erase" the future they visited, just create a parallel future alongside it. So Deke could continue to live in that parallel future. Indeed, most time travel fiction does allow people who've been removed from an "erased" timeline to survive in the new timeline -- for instance, Marty McFly alters his original timeline by giving his parents a better life, saving Doc, destroying one of the Twin Pines, etc., but he still remembers his original history when he gets Back to the Future, so he's essentially a relic of the original timeline now living in the altered one. Generally, the assumption in fiction is that if you're not in your timeline when it's erased, then you aren't erased with it. And in real theoretical physics, no timeline can ever be erased; it just coexists with alternatives. Either way, Deke should be able to go on living after his future is averted.
I also liked the "Quantum Leap" nod when he first arrives in the present and says, Oh Boy!
Jason
This show really is feeling the budget crunch. You expect a 100th episode to be big and epic, but this was practically a bottle show, going much more intimate with the character developments. Which is good, in its way, but it might've been cool to have something that was both big and important to the characters. The whole "swirly thing in space that brings our fears to life" idea was a cliche, but it wasn't really a major part of the story until the climax, where it was used really well.
So Coulson's dying, then. You know, when they posted the Kevin Feige interview today where he said that the question of whether the Avengers would ever find out Coulson was alive would be "resolved in a very surprising way," it occurred to me that if Coulson died at the end of AoS, that would sidestep the issue for the movies, so that could be the surprising resolution he was hinting at. So he may not get out of this one. (Or he might end the season by apparently dying in a way that could be reversed if they get renewed, maybe.)
And we get confirmation of what some suspected, that Deke is Fitz/Simmons's grandson. Kinda sad that he gets to witness his grandparents' wedding and doesn't even know it. The wedding was a sweet way to end the episode... but is it legal? Coulson seemed to say that nobody vested him with powers except the couple themselves, so will they have to go through a more proper ceremony later, assuming they're ever cleared?
So Coulson's dying, then. You know, when they posted the Kevin Feige interview today where he said that the question of whether the Avengers would ever find out Coulson was alive would be "resolved in a very surprising way," it occurred to me that if Coulson died at the end of AoS, that would sidestep the issue for the movies, so that could be the surprising resolution he was hinting at. So he may not get out of this one. (Or he might end the season by apparently dying in a way that could be reversed if they get renewed, maybe.)
And we get confirmation of what some suspected, that Deke is Fitz/Simmons's grandson. Kinda sad that he gets to witness his grandparents' wedding and doesn't even know it. The wedding was a sweet way to end the episode... but is it legal? Coulson seemed to say that nobody vested him with powers except the couple themselves, so will they have to go through a more proper ceremony later, assuming they're ever cleared?
What a lovely episode. Coulson has been playing a supporting role this season to allow others to play larger roles, particularly Daisy, but with this episode, his character became front and center by dealing with his long-standing fears of death. Of course, I didn't expect for one second the whole show was deathbed experience, but not-Deathlok rose an intriguing notion nonetheless.
The "fear universe" was a bit silly, but it did allow for certain elements of the past to make cameo appearances in the 100th episode, which was a fun if empty gesture. I'm just surprised Ward didn't show up, considering Coulson's past with him. It's probably a coincidence, but the crack into the "fear universe" sure reminded me of Amy Pond's crack in her wall and into space-time in Doctor Who.
Of course, the highlight of the episode was the long-awaited wedding of Jemma and Leo. It was a little rushed to fit in with the 100th episode, but I don't mind because it was long overdue and this whole team seriously needed a happy moment. Naturally, it won't last long but I wept sweet tears nonetheless. I'm not surprised Deke has turned out to be their grandson, especially considering most people in this thread had already guessed it. The real question is will he continue to exist if and when the doomed future is avoided?
I'm thrilled Deathlok finally returned if only because it was the 100th episode and sadly we already know he'll be gone again. Such a pity. I always wanted him to be a cast member.
The celebration may not have been some big epic adventure to mark the moment, but I think these quieter character moments are a far better tribute for the show. I'm sure there will be plenty of epic craziness for the remainder of the season. After all, the end of the world is coming...
The "fear universe" was a bit silly, but it did allow for certain elements of the past to make cameo appearances in the 100th episode, which was a fun if empty gesture. I'm just surprised Ward didn't show up, considering Coulson's past with him. It's probably a coincidence, but the crack into the "fear universe" sure reminded me of Amy Pond's crack in her wall and into space-time in Doctor Who.
Of course, the highlight of the episode was the long-awaited wedding of Jemma and Leo. It was a little rushed to fit in with the 100th episode, but I don't mind because it was long overdue and this whole team seriously needed a happy moment. Naturally, it won't last long but I wept sweet tears nonetheless. I'm not surprised Deke has turned out to be their grandson, especially considering most people in this thread had already guessed it. The real question is will he continue to exist if and when the doomed future is avoided?
I'm thrilled Deathlok finally returned if only because it was the 100th episode and sadly we already know he'll be gone again. Such a pity. I always wanted him to be a cast member.
The celebration may not have been some big epic adventure to mark the moment, but I think these quieter character moments are a far better tribute for the show. I'm sure there will be plenty of epic craziness for the remainder of the season. After all, the end of the world is coming...
So what if it's legal or not? That misses the point. This symbolic and romantic gesture of commitment means something very important to both of them and their friends. That's all that should matter.
I can suspend my disbelief for a lot of out there comic book things but a payphone? I mean, c'mon!
that's a joke, don't take it seriously
Do you think they got a discount from the FX house for reusing the crack from Doctor Who?
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