Agents of Shield - Season 4

[The Nth Doctor]

After the last episode, I mentioned that I thought there were too many moving parts and that I didn't think the finale would be able resolve them all.

I'm so glad I was largely wrong.

Not only was there a lot of great laughs and great action, the episode was an emotional roller coaster. My heart broke for Mack as he lost his daughter in the Framework and Henry Simmons's performance made it all the more wrenching. I'm happy he and Yo-Yo were able to escape, even though I expected Mack not to make it. Thankfully, Mack was able to see clearly once he was back to the real world and not feel any anger towards Yo-Yo, not that I expected him to.

Despite the continuous presence of the LMDs, I still genuinely thought Ophelia killed Jemma. I'm sure others weren't fooled, but I was and it hurt. Well played.

Ophelia's situation may have been resolved a bit too quickly but I'm not sure how else that storyline would play out with more time, short of her reigning hell on the world. No surprise Ghost Rider was the one to bring her down, although I expected him to drag her into "hell." I was certainly shocked by Coulson's deal with the devil. I expect we'll be theorizing for the next six months or so speculating what the terms of that deal. Too bad Robbie is gone again, but considering this deal, I'm sure he'll return soon enough.

Loved Radcliffe's bittersweet departure. Out like a whimper, indeed. I will miss John Hannah on the show, but the character ran its course.

I expect MODOK (if that's what The Russian is now) will be one of the major enemies next season. That's one loose thread I didn't mind seeing an immediate resolution.

Like last week, it's a bit strange Brett Dalton just disappeared without any resolution for good Ward. There wasn't really any room for him in this episode, but it's still odd.

One thing I don't get: How on earth did Talbot survive a bullet to the head?

 

[Jax]

Hell, those numbers a the only reason that got it got a fifth season at all.

Disney owning ABC and the Netflix deal are probably bigger factors.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm sure others weren't fooled, but I was and it hurt. Well played.

What gave it away for me were Fitz's reactions, they didn't feel very genuine to me.

 

[Christopher]

Like last week, it's a bit strange Brett Dalton just disappeared without any resolution for good Ward. There wasn't really any room for him in this episode, but it's still odd.

He did get resolution, when he and Daisy said their goodbyes and she told him that meeting him had made her understand "her" Ward better and see the good in him, or whatever. We just didn't know at the time that it was the last we'd see of him.

One thing I don't get: How on earth did Talbot survive a bullet to the head?

It happens more often than you'd think. Indeed, during the show, my local station was (coincidentally?) showing promos for a story on the upcoming 11 o'clock news about a man who survived getting shot in the head and, judging from the photos, losing a sizeable portion of his brain and skull.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

He did get resolution, when he and Daisy said their goodbyes and she told him that meeting him had made her understand "her" Ward better and see the good in him, or whatever. We just didn't know at the time that it was the last we'd see of him.

Hm, that's true. I had forgotten about that scene. I guess it'll feel more conclusive on the second viewing.

It happens more often than you'd think. Indeed, during the show, my local station was (coincidentally?) showing promos for a story on the upcoming 11 o'clock news about a man who survived getting shot in the head and, judging from the photos, losing a sizeable portion of his brain and skull.

True, but as you said, he lost a portion of his brain and skull. Talbot took the bullet straight in the forehead, like an assassination (granted fictional assassination). How can he plausibly survive that and not suffer from severe brain damage?

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

What a finale! And with so many questions left unanswered! I am definitely glad that the show will be coming back for another season. With an ending like that, I would have been absolutely devastated if they hadn't been renewed. I do wish that Good Ward had a bit more of a 'this is the end of Good Ward' moment. Yeah, his last seen with Daisy was nice and all but it definitely did not feel like his final moment when it was happening. I was expecting at least something more with him. He probably wouldn't have fit in the finale as it was already so packed and needed time for our real characters so I guess we'll just have to live with that. But just ending the framework in the way they did seems so unnecessarily cruel...I would have thought they would find a way to allow it to live alongside real Earth.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

how many people in here watch it live anyway?

I do. Tuesday is great fun with some of my siblings coming by, we eat, then watch Flash, do something random, then watch Shield. Every week.

 

[LJones41]

I heard that the show will be moving to Fridays 9PM EST.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

I heard that the show will be moving to Fridays 9PM EST.

I heard that, too.
In the links on the previous page of this thread.

 

[LJones41]

This is the second time that the show ended the season with a time jump to a new story. And I hate it. It seems like a very lazy way to start on a new story arc.


I'm also annoyed that SHIELD is once again, a rogue or defunct agency. It seems as if the series - as far as the agency is concerned - has taken two or three major steps backward.

Also, why was it necessary for Coulson to make that deal in order to take out Aida or Whatever-her-name-is?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Well, now we know why Coulson and Daisy won't be Hawaii-bound on the Zephyr the moment the Inhuman Royal Family shows up.

I wonder how much of the season will be set in space? Jed Whedon has spoken about revisting the Ian Quinn/Gravitonium/Franklin Hall plot threads that have been hanging ever since season one, but says that new ideas keep pushing it to the backburner. I would also like to revisit Bobbi and Hunter one more time and get some closure on Deathlok. And more Ghost Rider, of course.

Best line-- "I know. I just really wanted to do that."

ETA: Something else to think about-- The Darkhold might be gone, but the Russian/Superior/MODOK/whatever read it and should completely retain everything he read.

 

[Jax]

I wonder what the deal Coulson made? ooooo Coulson Ghost Rider in the future

So where has S.W.O.R.D been all this time?

 

[Star Wolf]

Agents of Shield has been left off ABC's fall lineup so the 5th season won't air until 2018. Infact based off "Inhumans" FUCKING terrible 9pm Friday slot, I imagine it will occupy Friday nights once it does return to wrap up its run.

The Inhumans slot astounds me, not only being on Friday Nights but after Once Upon A Time, which will be watched by about 12 people at the rate it's own ratings are going. Is there some sort of power struggle going on at ABC? with Disney Marvel execs wanting to push more Marvel shows and ABC execs trying to pull a FOX/Firefly and make it DOA.

NBC also moved Taken and another action show to Friday night. I think everybody wants to be in place when Hawaii 5 -0 and Blue Bloods run their course

 

[Christopher]

True, but as you said, he lost a portion of his brain and skull. Talbot took the bullet straight in the forehead, like an assassination (granted fictional assassination). How can he plausibly survive that and not suffer from severe brain damage?

The question I answered was simply whether he could survive it. Naturally it stands to reason that he'd have a long road to recovery and probably some permanent impairment. But remember, Fitz suffered ischemic brain damage at the end of season 1, and he's come back from it.

And let's face it, Talbot never used his brain much anyway...

Also, why was it necessary for Coulson to make that deal in order to take out Aida or Whatever-her-name-is?

What else would expect when a demon is involved?

 

[Star Wolf]

Anyone remember what deal Mac made? I was thinking along the lines that Coulson was already dead before the Kree juice.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The question I answered was simply whether he could survive it. Naturally it stands to reason that he'd have a long road to recovery and probably some permanent impairment. But remember, Fitz suffered ischemic brain damage at the end of season 1, and he's come back from it.

Yeah, yeah...fair enough.

And let's face it, Talbot never used his brain much anyway...

Touché.

 

[Greg Cox]

I would also like to revisit Bobbi and Hunter one more time and get some closure on Deathlok. .

Bobbi could be tricky since Palicki has a new show (The Orville) debuting in the fall, but, yes, it would be nice if they could work something out.

 

[LJones41]

ETA: Something else to think about-- The Darkhold might be gone, but the Russian/Superior/MODOK/whatever read it and should completely retain everything he read.

You mean to say that the Douche isn't gone for good?

What else would expect when a demon is involved?

Why didn't Robbie take out Ophelia? Why was it necessary for Coulson to temporarily assume the mantle of the Ghost Rider? Having Coulson do the job was unnecessary.

 

[Xerxes82]

Why didn't Robbie take out Ophelia? Why was it necessary for Coulson to temporarily assume the mantle of the Ghost Rider? Having Coulson do the job was unnecessary.

Robbie wanted to. Desperately wanted to. Problem being, AIDA knows that he's the Rider. As soon as she realized he could hurt her, she bolted every time he showed up. She was terrified of him, and had the means to escape him any time she chose. Coulson was a Trojan Rider. A way to slip the Rider's power into the same room as Ophelia long enough to get a grip on her. She wrote off Coulson and Simmons as threats, because ordinarily they wouldn't be, and it finally gave the Rider the opening it needed to end her.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

ETA: Something else to think about-- The Darkhold might be gone, but the Russian/Superior/MODOK/whatever read it and should completely retain everything he read.

Yeah, the bad guys didn't act like the book was very important to them anymore. Honestly, for a short period of time, I even suspected it to be a decoy, they were so casual about leaving it lying around. Good point.