Agents of Shield - Season 4
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I thought it was interesting just what history they implied. During the final, more heated exchange between the two over what was happening with May, the dialogue contained an fun detail. Jeff (not yet officially Mace) mentioned that Coulson asked for a hero to lead SHIELD, suggesting that he views himself as a hero. Coulson seemed to disagree that the new director deserved that particular appellation.
Whatever life Jeff lived previously, it left the new director with the impression that he's awesome, and Coulson with the impression that he (Mace) isn't. I'm curious if they'll expand on this moving forward, or just leave it vague. Personally, I expect the new director to be dead meat, Rosalind Price-style before the end of the season. Probably in a truly noble, heroic fashion and saving Coulson's ass from something awful, thus undercutting Coulson's feelings about the man. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be evil. That's too easy.
I'd have to watch it again but think the exchange of words were something to the effect of:-
"...now that Steve Rogers when AWOL, you wanted a hero"
"I said 'a powered person the public can trust' and they came up with you."
"And now you're stuck with me."
I think the point of contention isn't whether he's a hero but whether the public can really trust him. Not in a "he's really the Red Skull is disguise" sort of way, but to what use he'll put SHIELD and whether it'll be in the public's interest, or just serve the Accords governments' agendas.
"...now that Steve Rogers when AWOL, you wanted a hero"
"I said 'a powered person the public can trust' and they came up with you."
"And now you're stuck with me."
I think the point of contention isn't whether he's a hero but whether the public can really trust him. Not in a "he's really the Red Skull is disguise" sort of way, but to what use he'll put SHIELD and whether it'll be in the public's interest, or just serve the Accords governments' agendas.
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That gives me the impression that Jeff was a publicly known enhanced person, with a positive reputation.
No, he can't be hiding it. The line about the new director being a powered person the public can trust wouldn't make any sense then.
It could be taken either way I think. That he had a pre-existing public persona before he was exposed to terragen or simply that he's known to be good at PR and making people trust him but wasn't exactly known to anyone outside Washington.
Poor May is in tough shape. 
And Mack and Fitz are not happy with Daisy.
I'm intrigued by the talk about "the book." Given that the upcoming Doc Strange movie will introduce magic into the Marvel Video Verse, it could be the Book of the Vishanti. Or it could be the Darkhold, which is the Marvel Universe's equivalent of the Necronomicon, which was indirectly responsible for Jack Russell becoming a Werewolf, among many other things.
And Mack and Fitz are not happy with Daisy. I'm intrigued by the talk about "the book." Given that the upcoming Doc Strange movie will introduce magic into the Marvel Video Verse, it could be the Book of the Vishanti. Or it could be the Darkhold, which is the Marvel Universe's equivalent of the Necronomicon, which was indirectly responsible for Jack Russell becoming a Werewolf, among many other things.
Poor May is in tough shape.
I'm intrigued by the talk about "the book." Given that the upcoming Doc Strange movie will introduce magic into the Marvel Video Verse, it could be the Book of the Vishanti. Or it could be the Darkhold, which is the Marvel Universe's equivalent of the Necronomicon, which was indirectly responsible for Jack Russell becoming a Werewolf, among many other things.
^Pretty sure they actually called it "the Darkhold" in the episode.
From what I gather that thing also created vampires, so there's a possible in for Blade as well.
It could if it were referring to the future. After all, they're planning on revealing SHIELD itself to the public pretty soon, and maybe revealing that Mace is an Inhuman is part of that announcement. Maybe he's someone they already trust and respect for his accomplishments, and so they'll be more likely to accept him once they learn he's also an Inhuman.
There's a joke in there.
@RJDiogenes -- The Darkhold was mentioned by name.
I already researched Mace, but when I made that post I wasn't completely sure we knew for a fact he was Mace. I've since seen him identified as Mace on the MCU wiki and IGN has an article about Mace with a picture of O'Mara side by side with the comics version, so I guess it is true.
That must be where everyone is getting it from, because I don't remember them ever saying his last name in the episode.
Yes, I agree. The dialogue about financing and the fact that the new Shield is about to re-emerge publicly and how they could no longer depend on the clandestine financing Coulson supplied was very telling. No way could Coulson shmooze and glad hand like this new guy. Enjoyed the character very much. But new guy knows it has to be done.
Lots of reveals in this episode: the team meets Ghost Rider, they partially reunite with Daisy, we meet the new Director. But the best reveal was that Robbie Reyes is a Raiders fan! "If it ain't Silver and Black, I don't really give a damn". I howled out loud at this.
Man, May going crazy on the table. That looked a bit sinister and new Director has to be in on it I would think.
They didn't. But between the dearth of Marvel characters named Jeff (not going to lie, there may be some obscure one somewhere or a villain that I'm just missing, but Jeff Mace is the only Jeff I can think of anywhere in Marvel. Any of you comics history folks got anything else for us on that?), and the Captain America-esque powers on display in the episode (true, the comic version of Mace didn't have powers, but being as he was Cap for a while, it's an easy connection to make), the list of possible characters he could be is really, really short.
^Never rule out a bait and switch. Marvel knows full well their fanbase can use wikipedia.
Oh is that what that was about? I thought he was talking about his car.
I just assumed they were carting her off to The Raft for observation/quarantine/treatment.
Oh is that what that was about? I thought he was talking about his car.
I just assumed they were carting her off to The Raft for observation/quarantine/treatment.
In my opinion Daisy, or Quake to the public outside of SHIELD, is running around like Mystique in the last X-Men trilogy, in trying to stop the Watchmen who have taken over from Lash. She is the leader and example to the newly emerged Inhumans like herself. Specifically those who had no knowledge of Afterlife or even hints of it like the Clairvoyant Raina did. and not those who were trying to prove themselves worthy to Jai Ling and have been eating nothing but seafood like Hunter did to get himself enhanced.
At this point nobody believes in Ghost or the religious based supernatural even if Lincoln said Inhumans came about by intelligent design. And it plays to me when Robbie says he sold his soul that she sees one of her people feeling guilt and not willing to accept that he is one of "her's", an Inhuman. Right now by keeping contact and accepting the okay "enhanced" for now she will have a latter opportunity to bring him into the fold to drop the devil nonsense.
In a way her mission is similar to SHIELD's to get him and other enhanced, which would be assumed to be Inhuman unless alien or another super soldier formula variant truth became known, under control only without registering with the UN.
^Never rule out a bait and switch. Marvel knows full well their fanbase can use wikipedia.
This is very true. But you can't account for a swerve, just go with the evidence you have. And that evidence at the least supports the Jeff Mace theory. It certainly hasn't been proven beyond all doubt yet, but sometimes when it walks and quacks like a duck, it's just a duck, not a cleverly disguised bull moose.
Little of both with the wordplay. His coworkers were definitely talking about the return of the Rams to LA (American football, for any of those outside the US or non-sports fans in general), and Robbie's answer is a bit of burn in that sense, making like he's a Raiders fan. But the audience also gets the car reference as well.
And to go further into American cultural references, Raiders fans tend to have an outlaw image that goes with the choice of a criminal class representative as the mascot and the local outlaw classes choosing to identify with the Raiders even those not old enough to be around when either team left LA. Those who remember when the Raiders and Rams were both Los Angeles teams would know that gangsta culture as represented by NWA often wore Raiders gear in lieu of actual local street gang colors.
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