Agents of Shield - Season 4

[M'rk son of Mogh]

...it was better as a more all ages show.

When was it an all ages show?
During the scenes of torture? Or seeing Coulson's hand get chopped off with an ax? Maybe Coulson vengefully crushing his enemies chest until Ward died, all with his bare hand? Rosalind getting shot in the neck and bleeding to death (quite graphically) in Coulson's arms? Or any number of the darker themes explored that don't necessarily make the show suitable for all ages?

Ah, yes, violence doesn't matter in North America. Flesh is really what scares us.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I have to say that Charger is pretty bad ass. I wonder how much MPS it gets, miles per soul that is.

I like that the director isn't your typical uptight type, it's an interesting spin. He actually seems pretty reasonable when he's not giving women concussions.

 

[Reverend]

Some interesting possibilities with that book they mentioned. Most of them decidedly Lovecraftian and definitely within the traditional wheelhouse of a certain Sorcerer Supreme.
If I had to guess at what happened, I'd say those scientists were attempting to somehow reproduce or reverse engineer a "magical" artefact. And yes, by "magical" I mean *very* advanced alien tech, possibly beyond even what the Asgardians have.

I wonder if they'll directly tie this into the Darkforce or the thing with that bloke who kept disappearing. There does appear to be some commonalities, though they may only be superficial.

 

[Commander Richard]

Feels like they're going in this direction because of Doctor Strange.

 

[LJones41]

What does Skye want with Robbie? Her self-righteousness is really beginning to annoy me.

 

[Turtletrekker]

When was it an all ages show?
During the scenes of torture? Or seeing Coulson's hand get chopped off with an ax? Maybe Coulson vengefully crushing his enemies chest until Ward died, all with his bare hand? Rosalind getting shot in the neck and bleeding to death (quite graphically) in Coulson's arms? Or any number of the darker themes explored that don't necessarily make the show suitable for all ages?

Ah, yes, violence doesn't matter in North America. Flesh is really what scares us.

We saw Scorch burn hot Dr. Debbie of Hydra to ashes in episode 1.05

 

[Turtletrekker]

Feels like they're going in this direction because of Doctor Strange.

Oh, they've totally admitted this. The release of Dr. Strange opens this corner of the MCU for them to play in.

 

[Starscream2112]

No new episode next week?

 

[sojourner]

presidential debates.

 

[JD]

So is the Director definitely Jeffrey Mace? They've said they are open to bringing in more Inhumans from the comics now, so I was wondering if he's actually a comics Inhuman. The Inhuman reveal was a big surprise for me. I like him a lot so far.
Some interesting set up here for the stuff happening with Ghost Rider. It looks to me like the researchers were trying to use magic to power technology. I didn't see where the researchers in the picture the ghosts or whatever they were?
I got a kick out of seeing Mack shotgun axe again.

 

[Christopher]

So is the Director definitely Jeffrey Mace? They've said they are open to bringing in more Inhumans from the comics now, so I was wondering if he's actually a comics Inhuman.

No, he was a Golden Age character with no superpowers. He was called the Patriot, and later comics retconned him as the third Captain America -- to reconcile Cap being active in post-WWII comics with the '60s retcon that he'd been frozen in the ice since the war. (And some Wikipedia editor has jumped to the conclusion that the Director is Mace, when I don't think that's been verified yet.)

The Inhuman reveal was a big surprise for me. I like him a lot so far.

I dunno. His "nice guy" act comes off as a facade to me, or the attitude of someone more concerned with playing politics than anything else. We've seen signs that he's pretty paranoid about betrayal in the ranks -- including the literal signs, the posters on the wall about reporting suspicious activities, which have kind of a Soviet air to them. So I don't trust this guy at all. Even if he is Batman.

 

[Commander Richard]

Jason O'Mara plays those types.

 

[Forbin]

Okay, well, now i still have no idea who the director is supposed to be.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I dunno. His "nice guy" act comes off as a facade to me, or the attitude of someone more concerned with playing politics than anything else. We've seen signs that he's pretty paranoid about betrayal in the ranks -- including the literal signs, the posters on the wall about reporting suspicious activities, which have kind of a Soviet air to them. So I don't trust this guy at all. Even if he is Batman.

Yeah, I got the same impression as well. I want to trust him but he comes off way too nice.

 

[nx1701g]

Subtitles for the episode do identify him as Jeffrey Mace a couple of times.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I think they made it clear (like with the episode title) that he's the new director.

However, he's someone who REALLY knows and is willing to play the politics game, and that's where the deception vibe comes in.

Also, he's hiding his inHumanness from everyone right? He seems to truly trust Could on as he knows how he treats other inHumans.

 

[Christopher]

Subtitles for the episode do identify him as Jeffrey Mace a couple of times.

Then it was a bit of an in-joke when they said he was chosen as director because Steve Rogers was no longer available after Civil War. In the comics (per the retcon), he replaced Steve as Captain America for a time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

hen it was a bit of an in-joke when they said he was chosen as director because Steve Rogers was no longer available after Civil War. In the comics (per the retcon), he replaced Steve as Captain America for a time.

Could he be long lived and have been Cap for a while? Maybe that's why Coulson doesn't like him that much.

 

[Christopher]

Could he be long lived and have been Cap for a while? Maybe that's why Coulson doesn't like him that much.

Nahh, I doubt they'd go there. The whole "There were two other interim Caps" thing was an obscure handwave to fix a glitch in the comics' continuity (i.e. Lee & Kirby in the '60s forgetting/ignoring that Cap's comics adventures had continued into the '50s), and the MCU has the advantage of being built from the ground up and is thus able to streamline the continuity and not be beholden to every little glitch and clumsy retcon. Alluding to Mace being the second choice to head SHIELD after Rogers is probably the extent to which they'll draw on that bit of comics history.

Besides, if he'd been an Inhuman for decades, then he'd probably have been one of Jiaying's group. I think the show is focusing more on the New Inhumans created over the past year, so it seems more likely that he'd be one of them.


Incidentally, I finally read the TPB collections of Ms. Marvel, and now I'm thinking it'd be really cool if Coulson and Mack were sent to investigate reports of a 16-year-old Inhuman girl fighting crime in Jersey City.

 

[Reverend]

My impression was that while the new Director is certainly willing and capable at playing politics, he doesn't necessarily like it. More of a necessary evil than his main motivation.

Clearly there's some history with Coulson, but I'm not sure if he was ever a part of SHIELD prior to this. I'm guessing not, which makes me wonder at his previous experience. Government liaison perhaps? Operative from a different agency? Military?