Agents of Shield - Season 4

[Morpheus 02]

Am I the only one bothered that Coulson has stepped down as director? I mean, Fury himself put Coulson there -- would he be letting Fury down by "giving up"? Disobeying Fury's orders?

However, I will give bonus points if there is a Kirk comparison on the show when Coulson steps down

 

[JD]

Well, they still want everyone to think Coulson is dead, so they don't really have much of a choice there.
It does seem a little odd that they would even be that concerned when there are already a ton of people all over who know he's no longer dead. I guess they just must not want to totally undo his death since it came from The Avengers, or at least don't wan to do it if it won't be acknowledged in the movies.
They've announced that Fear the Walking Dead's Lorenzo James Henrie will be playing Robbie Reyes's brother Gabe, and that will be appearing in the season premiere. I wouldn't expect to many big appearances though, because he is still doing FTWD too.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Which seems to be something AoS seems obsessed with doing the last few years, a very one sided "difference of opinion" with Coulson vs the a-holes. It was Coulson vs. Gonzales & Gonzales' minions Mockingbird and Mack last year. Now, its Coulson vs Pro-registration director (aka evil director, since he's pro-registration and almost certainly anti-Coulson).

Maybe they could do a season where they just focused on fighting villains as the main story of the season? I guess that's too radical. What would they have if they didn't have stupid drama? A really good show (instead of an ok but very flawed show), and they can't do that. They'd break their weird trend of having superior movies but inferior TV compared to DC.

Friction inside shield as a recurring plot point is absolutely no different from Supergirl butting heads with the DEO, the LoT being chased by the Time Masters and the Flash having two evil mentors in a row.

Except that the writers on AoS actually usually do a good job with characterization and plots, whereas Berlanti shows think it's acceptable to randomly turn the hero into a completely different person whenever the story needs conflict and don't give a damn if their chosen plot structure makes the hero look like a complete moron.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Is Fury still alive? I don't watch the movies. If so, I wonder if he will make an appearance to chime in on this development.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

You can only be a former SHIELD director of some people believe you to be dead.
Or they would have to kill you.

 

[Mr Light]

We haven't seen SLJ since the first season finale, so I would be pretty shocked to see him ever appear again. Hell, it doesn't even look like he'll appear in any of the movies. They moved the story past him.

 

[Star Wolf]

Is Fury still alive? I don't watch the movies. If so, I wonder if he will make an appearance to chime in on this development.

Director Fury made a post "death" appearance in season one of Agents of SHIELD. Unlike Agent Coulson who started off the series as a relatively public, if anonymous to the casual observer, "Man In Black" SHIELD agent when SHIELD was in public view with their SHIELD logos all over their vehicles and uniforms where we have plausible explanation of why The Avengers don't know of his status The Avengers have first hand knowledge of Director Fury surviving the Hydra assassination attempt.

 

[Richard Baker]

I wonder how many people knew or even cared about Coulson's death- he was an agent but one of many and died just before a crises which devastated a major city. Most of the people who were in direct contact with him during his demise would probably take his return in stride considering all the other weird shit that happened and continues to go on.

Everyone important (both good and bad) know Coulson is still around and doing his thing so I really don't think that his temporary death really matters much, certainly not enough to be considered a secret...

 

[LJones41]

We haven't seen SLJ since the first season finale, so I would be pretty shocked to see him ever appear again. Hell, it doesn't even look like he'll appear in any of the movies. They moved the story past him.

I heard that he will be in the Infinity Wars" movies. Someone needs to clean up Thaddeus Ross' mess.

Except that the writers on AoS actually usually do a good job with characterization and plots

You mean like the disaster known as post-Season 1 Grant Ward? Or turning Skye aka Daisy Johnson into a Mary Sue?

 

[Star Wolf]

^
The show still holds the position that the son of Coul wants to tell Thor, Tony Stark and Steve Rogers personally that he is alive and others like Lady Siff have not let out the secret

 

[kirk55555]

Friction inside shield as a recurring plot point is absolutely no different from Supergirl butting heads with the DEO, the LoT being chased by the Time Masters and the Flash having two evil mentors in a row.

Except that the writers on AoS actually usually do a good job with characterization and plots, whereas Berlanti shows think it's acceptable to randomly turn the hero into a completely different person whenever the story needs conflict and don't give a damn if their chosen plot structure makes the hero look like a complete moron.

The Flash could teach AoS so much about characterization its not even funny. As for the other shows, Supergirl sucks (but the DEO wasn't the worst part of the show, so...that's a victory over AoS, I guess) and LoT was just too ridiculous to compare.

No, they were not evil. They simply disagreed with how Fury ran SHIELD, and wrongly blamed his stewardship for HYDRA's infiltration instead of laying the blame at Alexander Pierce.

Anyone, namely Coulson, who was so loyal to Fury-the man, was someone they felt didn't serve the greater good and they were apprehensive over allowing those whose philosophies were in line with Fury's, remain in charge or in leadership positions without being vetted by them.

That's debatable. Gonzales's fake SHIELD were, bare minimum, bigoted against anyone who wasn't totally human or had powers (an attitude Mack and Mockingbird kept even after Gonzales died and Mack definitely still had all the way to the end of last season), and I find racism/bigotry pretty evil. They also wanted to lock up everyone who wasn't human, treating them as if they had no rights. Plus, they tried to overthrow the legitimate head of SHIELD because of their hatred of aliens/people not totally human. So, Gonzales had a group that hates anyone not like them, wants to lock the people they hate up, and try to take over the good guys organization. That is basically HYDRA or the government in the X-Men films, aka very definitely bad guys.

 

[Morpheus 02]

You can only be a former SHIELD director of some people believe you to be dead.
Or they would have to kill you.

So Peggy Carter is really alive????

 

[Xerxes82]

That's debatable. Gonzales's fake SHIELD were, bare minimum, bigoted against anyone who wasn't totally human or had powers (an attitude Mack and Mockingbird kept even after Gonzales died and Mack definitely still had all the way to the end of last season), and I find racism/bigotry pretty evil. They also wanted to lock up everyone who wasn't human, treating them as if they had no rights. Plus, they tried to overthrow the legitimate head of SHIELD because of their hatred of aliens/people not totally human. So, Gonzales had a group that hates anyone not like them, wants to lock the people they hate up, and try to take over the good guys organization. That is basically HYDRA or the government in the X-Men films, aka very definitely bad guys.

Fury's very real SHIELD was 'bigoted' against anyone who wasn't human as well. The Index is just another form of registration. The simple fact of the matter is, people with powers are dangerous. Really, really dangerous. That someone wants to try and keep an eye on them isn't bigotry, it's practicality. (Please note, I'm not saying it's right, just that it's practical. As a rule, I tend to agree with you here, I'm just playing devil's advocate.) Also worth noting, that prior to S3, all Inhumans received their powers through voluntary Terrigenesis. The thing about racism is that someone's race is outside their control. Inhumans without powers, who have never undergone Terrigenesis, being put on a registry is racism. But any Inhuman (other than Raina and Daisy, who got theirs somewhat incidentally) with powers? They CHOSE that. Choices sometimes have consequences. If you choose to join a terrorist organization, expect people who monitor those organizations to keep an eye on you. But Inhumans weren't terrorists, you'll say? And you're right. But SHIELD doesn't know that, and it's their job to keep an eye on potential extra-human threats.

Also, neither Coulson's SHIELD, nor his leadership of same are IN ANY WAY legitimate. SHIELD has no legal authority to exist, do it's job or anything else, at all. Technically every single member of our cast has been a member of a terrorist organization since the end of S1. It looks like SHIELD is back in the governmental fold as of S4 (and I stress looks like, since we don't actually know yet). But Gonzales and his group had every bit as much right to the SHIELD name and mission as Coulson's. That is to say, none. Yes, we the audience know that Fury gave Coulson this mission, but Fury had no authority to actually do so even if he wasn't legally dead at the time. We relate to Coulson and his team because we've followed them, and to most of us they were the 'good guys' in that scenario for a lot of reasons, but you absolutely cannot call Coulson the legitimate head of an organization that is illegal and not meant to exist.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Director Fury made a post "death" appearance in season one of Agents of SHIELD. Unlike Agent Coulson who started off the series as a relatively public, if anonymous to the casual observer, "Man In Black" SHIELD agent when SHIELD was in public view with their SHIELD logos all over their vehicles and uniforms where we have plausible explanation of why The Avengers don't know of his status The Avengers have first hand knowledge of Director Fury surviving the Hydra assassination attempt.

I remember him appearing in SHIELD a while back, but I thought he may have been killed for real in a more recent movie. If he's still alive, he may not like the idea of some replacing his hand-picked successor.

 

[Reverend]

He was last seen at the end of AoU and is very much alive.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Good to know. Then he may yet show up again on AOS.

 

[JD]

And now we've got our first look at Reyes in his Ghost Rider form and his car in it's transformed version. I like it a lot.
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[nx1701g]

Not the worst thing I've ever seen.

Has the new Director been leaked yet?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Ugh. Still should be a motorcycle.

 

[Xerxes82]

Ugh. Still should be a motorcycle.

Why? The car is awesome. I don't know how much of Robbie's powers AoS will keep/change, but the stuff he can do with the car in the comics is truly awesome. It might not be quite as visually striking at first glance as the Blaze/Ketch bikes, but it gives him a unique flavor. And if filmed with creative camera angles/cg, could make for some delightful action.

I'm biased. I'm on of the few people who bought and read Robbie's series from issue one to the bitter, cancelled end. I have no attachment to Ghost Rider otherwise. And I get that people get all bent out of shape over legacy heroes. But Robbie is how you do them right. He came to a franchise that already allowed for multiple flavors of the titular hero, he brought his own spin to the mythos and with it new possibilities. He doesn't preclude the use of Blaze, Ketch, Alejandra or any of the other riders. I've been dying to see Marvel do something else with the character, and this is finally getting them to do so. (Interestingly, DC is also reviving my other favorite hispanic, southwestern legacy hero with Jaime 'Blue Beetle' Reyes. Good times for me.)