That could be true. And if she is an exact duplicate of May that will raise some ethical issues about what to do with her.
Agents of Shield - Season 4
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Spin-off potential: Phil's Angels
All 3 angels are May!
But then there'd have to be one more May that Phil would end up in a romance with. After all... May the Fourth be with you.
Probably not, given Mack's feelings about robots, and certainly not under the law, but if she's intelligent and self aware that should present a conundrum for the group.
I don't think Mack would spare Robo-May after revealing his attitude toward Aida and shooting down Radcliffe and Fitz when they tried to defend her. The whole not bowing down to the "robot overloard" thing probably applies to androids with faces of friends. He probably wouldn't see her as self aware, just something simulating the real May.
This will almost certainly never happen, but something that would make a hell of a story twist would be:
Mack tries to kill Robo-May only to realize after the fact that he killed the actual May because he couldn't tell the difference.
or
Mack tries to kill Robo May only for her to be so convincing that he hesitates and she kills him in self defense and escapes.
Mack tries to kill Robo-May only to realize after the fact that he killed the actual May because he couldn't tell the difference.
or
Mack tries to kill Robo May only for her to be so convincing that he hesitates and she kills him in self defense and escapes.
I hope both of those never happen but that would blow my mind and I'd give mad respect to AoS. But again, I hope that doesn't happen. I like May and Mack the way they are. Killing May for Robo-May wouldn't be a great end for the character, and Mack is an excellent addition to the team. He may be the best added member so far (though I liked Deathlok, Canary, Triplett, and Hunter and wish Lucy Lawless' character got a chance to stick around longer).
Which would create some conflict between Mack and the rest of the group. Although Fitz might be able to convince him. Fitz or Gemma would probably be the only ones who could confirm whether RoboMay is self-aware or just a high-level simulation.
I love it when shows introduce things like this weeks or months early, and then pay them off later. It turns out he was lying about both, but for much less sinister reasons than I'd speculated at the time. Mace has become a really interesting character these last few weeks. And bonus points for the Patriot name being called out.
Really liked this episode, overall. Robo-May's reaction to her injury raises interesting questions. Can she heal? I don't imagine so. So what happens when she has to hide the wound from everybody. How do you deal with finding out you're a Cylon? Wait, wrong show. Still, interesting that they'd reveal her true nature to Robo-May without any context for her to process it. This season has been quite entertaining, probably the best year yet.
I don't get why they're acting as if Mace's powers don't count as real powers because they come from a serum. What about Cap? What about Centipede? What about Daisy's father (whose Mr. Hyde formula is the source of the Patriot serum)? Heck, what about Iron Man, Ant Man, and everyone who gets their powers from tech? Okay, passing him off as an Inhuman was fraudulent, but saying that superstrength doesn't even count as a power if it doesn't come from the right source is bizarre.
Radcliffe said something to Aida about how the May LMD's programming was subconscious. She thinks she's May, she has May's memories, but she also has programming designed to ensure she follows Radcliffe's agenda and keeps her true nature secret. So I assume it's not the same thing as just discovering she's a robot and having to cope with that emotionally. The programmed subconscious imperatives should shape how she reacts to the discovery.
Radcliffe said something to Aida about how the May LMD's programming was subconscious. She thinks she's May, she has May's memories, but she also has programming designed to ensure she follows Radcliffe's agenda and keeps her true nature secret. So I assume it's not the same thing as just discovering she's a robot and having to cope with that emotionally. The programmed subconscious imperatives should shape how she reacts to the discovery.
Because it's not a "power", it's just a performance enhancer. It's tech. Yes, the show is being slightly dubious here, since the Patriot formula clearly makes Mace superhuman when he takes it. But, for the record, Iron Man doesn't have powers either. He has tech. So does Ant-Man. Cap has powers. Wanda has powers. Daisy has powers. They're drawing an, admittedly indistinct, line between things that are permanent or native to a person genetically, and things that require an outside source, can be removed, or turned off. It's phrased clumsily, perhaps, but it was more than obvious what they were going for.
This whole story line with Mace seemed sloppily handled since it was first hinted in the Season 3 finale. And rather disappointing. Was this all about Coulson resuming control of S.H.I.E.L.D.? If so, Mutant Enemy should not have bothered with removing him from power in the first place.
This is a storyline from Young Avengers.
Patriot, grandson to the (retroactively installed) original Captain America, from before Steve Rogers, who was using mutant growth hormone ( an exotic street drug in marvel comics that awards temporary powers to mundanes) to level up, while wearing a "cool" version of the Bucky uniform.
Patriot, grandson to the (retroactively installed) original Captain America, from before Steve Rogers, who was using mutant growth hormone ( an exotic street drug in marvel comics that awards temporary powers to mundanes) to level up, while wearing a "cool" version of the Bucky uniform.
Wasn't Patriot the guy who subbed for Cap during the 50s?
Ironically, (in comics) Patriot was Jeffery Mace, the second boy to pick up the job after Steve seemed to have died, but still before the end of WWII, who is the fake Inhuman S.H.I.E.L.D. Director on the TV show that we are watching.
2000-and something, the story is that the US Government (in the late 1930s) believed that the Super Soldier Serum was too dangerous to test on White people. So after they got a working African American prototype who did not explode, and threw him at a few hundred Nazis, it was time to give a white person super powers because America would riot and burn everything down, if they heard that there was a Black person out there somewhere as strong as a tractor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley
Patriot, Isiah's grandson is also noticeably African American eventually after he stopped wearing a full-face mask.
After the drugs thing, he disappeared.
Young Avengers was almost 20 years ago.
I am so old.
2000-and something, the story is that the US Government (in the late 1930s) believed that the Super Soldier Serum was too dangerous to test on White people. So after they got a working African American prototype who did not explode, and threw him at a few hundred Nazis, it was time to give a white person super powers because America would riot and burn everything down, if they heard that there was a Black person out there somewhere as strong as a tractor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley
Patriot, Isiah's grandson is also noticeably African American eventually after he stopped wearing a full-face mask.
After the drugs thing, he disappeared.
Young Avengers was almost 20 years ago.
I am so old.
Clumsy phrasing comes from clumsy concepts. That's way too narrow a definition of the word "powers," and not in keeping with the tradition of superhero comics and movies. There's nothing about the word "powers" that requires them to be physically innate. Power is merely the ability to do things. And it can be granted externally, like how a judge has powers vested by the state. As Wikipedia puts it, "Similarly, characters who derive their abilities from artificial, external sources—the Six Million Dollar Man and his bionic limbs, Green Lantern and his power ring, and Tony Stark and his Iron Man armor may be fairly described as having superpowers, but are not necessarily superhuman."
My problem with the phrasing is that it implied that Mace's ability to be a hero is nonexistent or fraudulent just because he gets his strength temporarily from an artificial source. There are plenty of heroes who work that way. Not to mention heroes whose abilities are both permanent and induced by external technology, like Cap, the Hulk, Deathlok, etc. The only difference between Cap and Mace, ability-wise, is that Cap's "performance enhancer" never wears off.
While it's true he's artificially "enhanced" like Cap, unlike Cap, Mace's abilities are non-permanent. The likes of Cap, Banner & Wanda never need a booster shot. In that sense "Patriot" is just a less crazy version of Nuke. Only with injections instead of pills.
So yeah, they're "real" but not intrinsic to who he is. It's an important distinction because it's like me saying I have the "power" to be immune to pain just because I shot myself up with morphine (though if I did, I probably wouldn't be coherent enough to make that claim, but you get the idea.) It's also especially important coming after claiming to be an Inhuman because it's 100% voluntary, while the Inhumans mostly have their condition inflicted upon them. He can walk away at any time and be "normal". They don't have that luxury and however well meaning, that makes him a fraud.
Side note: was that crazy exploding bullet meant to be the same type that wounded Luke Cage? Seems like it was. If so it pretty much confirms what most suspected in that it's leftover Hydra tech.
So yeah, they're "real" but not intrinsic to who he is. It's an important distinction because it's like me saying I have the "power" to be immune to pain just because I shot myself up with morphine (though if I did, I probably wouldn't be coherent enough to make that claim, but you get the idea.) It's also especially important coming after claiming to be an Inhuman because it's 100% voluntary, while the Inhumans mostly have their condition inflicted upon them. He can walk away at any time and be "normal". They don't have that luxury and however well meaning, that makes him a fraud.
Side note: was that crazy exploding bullet meant to be the same type that wounded Luke Cage? Seems like it was. If so it pretty much confirms what most suspected in that it's leftover Hydra tech.
Latest episode barely hit above 2 million, the 10pm slot really has been the final nail in the coffin. 4 and done it seems for one of the best shows on TV in the last 3 years.
I don't recall them saying that, Phil said he wasn't a inhuman and he would be correct. That serum is dam dangerous for sure, an army of amped up soldiers will never end well. Remember in First Avenger when the Doc was looking for more than a tough guy to be Captain America.
I don't recall them saying that, Phil said he wasn't a inhuman and he would be correct. That serum is dam dangerous for sure, an army of amped up soldiers will never end well. Remember in First Avenger when the Doc was looking for more than a tough guy to be Captain America.
This arc really should, if all things were possible with actors schedules, have Deathlok in at least one episode, if not the concluding one.
If the ratings are getting dicey then it's time for those Clint Barton, Tony Stark or SLJ cameos to start surfacing.
If the ratings are getting dicey then it's time for those Clint Barton, Tony Stark or SLJ cameos to start surfacing.
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