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Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

If I'm remembering my science correctly, a nuclear explosion in outer space quickly dissipates into nothingness, because it doesn't have an atmosphere to cause a shock wave through or a mushroom cloud in.

Yes, but the the intention was to detonate in the upper atmosphere, not in space. Sending the Quinjet into space allowed the explosion to happen harmlessly. Also, in either circumstance, a nuclear explosion would be more than hot enough in the first instant to vaporize the mutagen rather than dispersing it.
 
Was it a Nuclear Warhead or one of those MCU nifty warheads that make a big boom without the radiation or bad stuff? I just remember Talbot saying a fully functional warhead.

Nuclear is assumed, and the missile they were attempting to use must have had nuclear capability, but they replaced the warhead with their own. Also, storage of nuclear warheads is not usually in office buildings and not all together, so this must have been something "special".
 
I assumed something other than nuclear while watching it, as someone said it would just completely destroy everything they want to disperse instantly.

It's not the right shape for a daisy-cutter or really any kind of fuel-air detonation device. So I'm going with something the ATCU/SHIELD etc developed designed to cause a large percussive wave detonation instead, less heat, more kinetic.
 
For me, this was an absolutely excellent episode - especially in terms of a Daisy episode - but a very lackluster finale. I loved the whole storyline she got, but to make the entire finale all about her when the show has spent an entire season building up this villain (and has lots of other characters who should contribute) was kind of weird; even worse the fact that Hive was basically nerfed to hell just to make it work (both with the deus ex mach. neural scrambler thing and the fact that he apparently forgot he didn't need to resort to fisticuffs to get people out of his way), and also that they spent more time dealing with his mute minions who didn't even exist three episodes ago than they did with him.

Also, I have to agree with what one poster already mentioned: the cliffhangers were really out of place. They seriously hampered the impact of an otherwise great ending scene and they didn't even really show anything that was actually worth having a cliffhanger for.
 
Also, I have to agree with what one poster already mentioned: the cliffhangers were really out of place. They seriously hampered the impact of an otherwise great ending scene and they didn't even really show anything that was actually worth having a cliffhanger for.
Double agreed. They shat on their own emotional ending just for a quick, "Ooh, look what's coming!" and it wasn't even that interesting.
 
even worse the fact that Hive was basically nerfed to hell just to make it work (both with the deus ex mach. neural scrambler thing and the fact that he apparently forgot he didn't need to resort to fisticuffs to get people out of his way)

I wouldn't say that. A normal human being hit by Daisy's seismic blasts like that would have had his innards liquefied. Just being able to survive that requires amazing superstrength.
 
And Daisy is only partially "people".Hive had previously stated he would not consume an Inhuman and Lash made her immune from his sway
 
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Honestly, half the twitter feed of everyone on the show is just them goofing off non-stop. :lol:
 
For me, this was an absolutely excellent episode - especially in terms of a Daisy episode - but a very lackluster finale. I loved the whole storyline she got, but to make the entire finale all about her when the show has spent an entire season building up this villain (and has lots of other characters who should contribute) was kind of weird
Who did you feel didn't contribute?

even worse the fact that Hive was basically nerfed to hell just to make it work (both with the deus ex mach. neural scrambler thing and the fact that he apparently forgot he didn't need to resort to fisticuffs to get people out of his way)
Deus ex machina refers to something that hasn't been previously set up for the audience to know it exists and could play a role. The "memory machine" was introduced and explained way back in season one when it was used to bring Coulson's suppressed memories of his resurrection to the surface, and has been mentioned and/or seen multiple times since, including earlier this season when they used it on Strucker's son. And Hive cannot melt Inhumans nor sway humans.
 
I think that Coulson might be in a position at this point that Ellis is calling the shots if SHIELD wants to keep its off-the-books-but-legal status.



He doesn't fire them...he "accepts their resignation".



I mentioned this upthread, but it' the name of the AI used by the Squadron Supreme's Tom Thumb.



Yep.
Doesn't really sound like that relates to what we saw in the episode. I wonder if this will be a case of them just using a name and doing their own thing with them, or if that is just a coincidence?

Oh, also nice of Mack to finally get his shotgun/axe.
I got a big kick out of that two, I hope he gets to keep it as a regular thing.
Music to my ears!

While Dalton did well as Hive, he was always the weakest link among the cast and I've been wanting Ward gone for a long time.
Well, in an interview I posted up thread, Jed Whedon and Maarissa Tancharoen wouldn't guarantee we would never see them again, but it definitely does sound like they don't have any current plans to bring them back any time soon.
 
I wouldn't say that. A normal human being hit by Daisy's seismic blasts like that would have had his innards liquefied. Just being able to survive that requires amazing superstrength.
He was pulverized inside, but said this was of no consequence because his form was actually maintained by all his myriad little parasite bits working together as one, rather than by bones and tendons and the like.
 
He was pulverized inside, but said this was of no consequence because his form was actually maintained by all his myriad little parasite bits working together as one, rather than by bones and tendons and the like.

Yes, exactly my point. Regardless of the specific method, his superpowers enabled him to survive something that would've swiftly killed a normal human, therefore it is wrong to say that he was "nerfed," i.e. weakened or made ineffectual.
 
Yes, exactly my point. Regardless of the specific method, his superpowers enabled him to survive something that would've swiftly killed a normal human, therefore it is wrong to say that he was "nerfed," i.e. weakened or made ineffectual.
Ok, I got ya. I thought the poster was referring to the temporary mental confusion induced by the theta brain-wave thingy.
 
That was a pretty nifty finale, in my opinion. The main things to me are that Mack survived and nothing bad happened to Fitz and/or Simmons. In fact, Fitz and Simmons are going on a romantic tropical holiday. There will be a thousand species of fish!

I loved the gimmick of the cross being passed around to just about everybody; it was both ominous and hilarious at the same time. The outcome kind of makes me wonder how Daisy was able to see it, since she wasn't present-- it seems like all those other premonitions of death involved the person being present. But Lincoln got to be a hero and save the world by saving Daisy-- and it was interesting that he compared Daisy's hive addiction to both his history of alcoholism and his feelings for her. Perhaps he was motivated not only by love, but by the realization that it was not a healthy love.

Daisy herself certainly went through a lot. I had wondered, given the nature of Hive-Ward's mind control whether his minions could be cured at all, since it didn't involve control so much as investing them with ideology. Ideology is a form of addiction, so it makes sense that her recovery phase would be as concentrated and intense as the addiction itself. And, judging by the flash forward, she doesn't come out of it intact, despite Lincoln's sacrifice.

After wishing Ward gone for the past two or three years, I feel bad now that Brett Dalton will be gone. He did the best he could with what they gave him, but there's only so much you can do with a boring sociopathic lap dog. The Hive character was the best he had since his original character and he did fine. Maybe they can do an AU story where they bring back Mirror Ward, who is really the guy Evil Ward pretended to be-- he deserves to play a real hero for a while.

There were a lot of great little moments throughout the two hours, from holographic Coulson to Talbot's mustache. And YoYo is pretty funny, despite being in a constant state of crankiness ("He's lucky he's so handsome"). And the Mad Scientist character cracks me up. It's good to see that he will be back next year.

The transition to the flash forward was a bit abrupt, but I thought it was intriguing. A lot happens over the Summer. Who is the new director? Obviously not Mack, so the obvious choices are either May or Talbot-- unless it's a new character. And did Coulson step down or was he replaced? Since he was Fury's hand-picked successor, he must have stepped down. And then we have rogue Daisy. She's obviously trying to help people, so why is she also committing acts of seismic terrorism? Maybe it's not really her and she's just getting blamed for it. And what's up with Mad Scientist and his LMD? Stay tuned.
 
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