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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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It's not like a Chinese person can't learn karate.
He's also only half Chinese, I believe his mother is English. And really it's up to the artist and inker to make the panels not the writer, so it's odd to blame it on Stan Lee.
Still if Yelsen can become a Middle Easterner, they can change the Mandarin to whatever they want to.
One interesting possibility that I think Kingsley himself put forth is that we've already seen the Mandarin and that Trevor was an act the whole time. A bit tricky in light of what we saw in the one-shot to say the least, but I like the idea that this guy is basically the Keyser Soze of the MCU, so that even his own people don't know who he is and that he could arrange his own kidnapping as a means of escape.
Of course the major sticking point for that idea will be why would he take on the role of Killian's puppet? What did that charade get him that couldn't have been got by other means?
Personally I highly doubt it, but I think if anyone can pull off a double fake-out like that it'd be Sir Ben.
Of course the major sticking point for that idea will be why would he take on the role of Killian's puppet? What did that charade get him that couldn't have been got by other means?
Personally I highly doubt it, but I think if anyone can pull off a double fake-out like that it'd be Sir Ben.
Not the point. The point is that the character was an ill-conceived generically Oriental villain, just one big heaping pile of ignorant Yellow-Peril stereotypes. I love the way IM3 took that unfortunate legacy and deconstructed it, making that hodgepodge of cultural stereotypes and fearmongering the smokescreen that a white American constructed in order to play on white Americans' fears and ignorance. Rather than trying to ignore the problematic aspects of the character, the film engaged with them metatextually and used them in a smart and self-aware way. I feel that any attempt to revisit the idea of a "real" Mandarin in a more conventional, unironic way would be a step down from that in intelligence, and would be kind of hypocritical.
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I get what you're saying, but there is a part of me that wants closure on what the "Ten Rings" was/is all about. Of course, the "Ten Rings" has its own issues with being perceived as racist, as Faran Tahir was afraid that they'd be seen as an Islamic caricature.
I get what you're saying, but there is a part of me that wants closure on what the "Ten Rings" was/is all about. Of course, the "Ten Rings" has its own issues with being perceived as racist, as Faran Tahir was afraid that they'd be seen as an Islamic caricature.
Last year we got a link between the two groups in this one-shot, which makes me wonder if they don't have more planned for "Ten Rings" and Mandarin. One could argue that it was only mentioned in the "One-Shot," and only those who bought the Thor: The Dark World blu-ray or sought it out through other means would know about it. Therefore, it would be easy to never touch upon again.
The "One-Shots" do seem to exist in a limbo in terms of continuity, even moreso than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the TV show seems to beholden to what's in the movies, but the movies don't have to be beholden to what's on the show. The Agent Carter One-Shot seemingly takes place after the first season of Agent Carter, though I get the feeling it will be ignored if necessary by the show's creative team.
The "One-Shots" do seem to exist in a limbo in terms of continuity, even moreso than Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the TV show seems to beholden to what's in the movies, but the movies don't have to be beholden to what's on the show. The Agent Carter One-Shot seemingly takes place after the first season of Agent Carter, though I get the feeling it will be ignored if necessary by the show's creative team.
My personal preference is this:
AIM was described as a government think tank. My idea is to have the government funding coming from the support of people like Senator Sterns. That would give Hydra an influence in AIM without Hydra controlling AIM.
Why would an MCU Mandarin need to be Chinese. The Mandarin was created in a time when people feared communist China, but now the great fear is Islamic terrorism. In a way by using an imposter Iron Man 3 kind of made light of Islamic terrorism and really Trevor was let down to many fans.
The Mandarin also had ties to the Inhumans, so the Ten Fingers terrorists might prove to be a good adversary for the new SHIELD.
Maybe there could be a way of doing something with the Ten Rings organization while still keeping away from the Mandarin stuff. But yeah, it would have to be handled carefully. Maybe make it more of an international cartel than something linked to any specific nationality/ethnicity.
I have the impression that season 1 of Agent Carter is meant to supersede the short in the continuity. Kind of like how the later, more detailed retellings of Cap's origin story superseded the original quickie version from 1940, keeping the broad strokes but fleshing them out into a fuller, more detailed story.
Maybe, but what are the odds that Killian could've unknowingly had Hydra funding and come up with an independent plan to overthrow the President and stir up unrest? His goals aligned so perfectly with Hydra's that I can't believe there's no cause and effect there. Either they were working together with Killian's full knowledge, or Hydra nurtured and manipulated him in that direction without his knowledge. Either way, Hydra was ultimately behind his plan. It would be one hell of a coincidence if they weren't.
They showed a scene of her one shot in the first episode, in her opening flash-back, which I found odd because Shield didn't exist at all in the series.
What does one have to do with the other? Half breed is a real term from the real world and even in the world of Marvel Comics it's used as a pejorative.
Most? You got a list?
Fu Manchu is pretty much the prototype for the "Yellow Peril" trope. (First appearing over 100 years ago. ) Shang-Chi as a "master of Kung Fu" is a bit of a stereotype, too.
Not that hard. The President of the United States isn't exactly an obscure target.
How have they handled him in recent comics? I know he's appeared off and on in the last couple decades, and I would like to think they found away to move past the old racists stereotype.
Plus AIM's plan was to replace the president with a pawn so they could control both sides of the War on Terror so they could make ass loads of money off of it.
HYDRA's plan was to kill everyone they concluded (thanks to their algorithm) would try to resist their plans to take over the world which included world leaders, I'm pretty sure they planned to rule openly so I doubt they ever intended to have puppets in power.
Could you please not use the term, though? For some of us real, live, mixed-race people it's like being slapped in the face and being told we're "not enough". I've known you online for years now, D, and I know you don't mean any harm, but please believe me when I say that just seeing the term used can be a really hurtful thing.
Sure not a problem.
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