Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[theenglish]

When Fitz favorite sandwich was first described in "The Hub", it immediately made me want to drop everything and go to a sandwich shop. However, this time, the description ("Prosciutto and mozzerella") had no effect on me at all. Something was missing.

So I went back to "The Hub" and checked how it was described the first time. Oh. Prosciutto and buffalo mozzerella. OK, now I'm hungry...

They no longer have the same resources they had in The Hub.

 

[Skywalker]

I'll bet the real SHIELD has access to buffalo mozzarella.

 

[Turtletrekker]

"Come over to the Real SHIELD. We have sandwiches."

 

[Hartzilla2007]

"Come over to the Real SHIELD. We have sandwiches."

The sandwiches probably have pretentious names like the "Real x Sandwich"

 

[QCzar]

*comes back to computer after making a quick, but entirely inadequate sandwich*

How much time passed between Gordon taking Cal (do we for sure where he is, considering his method of travel?) and then taking Skye to Inhuman Rivendell? I ask because it's entirely plausible to suggest Cal was reintroduced to Jiaying during that time (most likely where he was headed in the episode he was taken in when Gordon lead him out of the room at the end). That she may have explained what happened to her, their inhuman group and (partly) what their immediate plans were for Skye/Daisy.

Nothing in their interaction hinted at how long he knew Jiaying was alive and everything prior to it suggests he simply didn't. That he was not excited simply shows he was not surprised and had prior knowledge, not that he'd known for years. That she'd be warm with him, her (current or former*) husband and father to her child, shortly after reuniting with their baby girl for the first time since she'd been borne, is hardly telling. It's just human.

Not saying the "he knew, even with Whitehall" theory is wrong, but that there are other plausible reasons for his non-excitement at seeing her in this scene.

As an aside, is anyone else perplexed as to what motive Jiaying could have for concealing her relationship with Skye at this point?

* = Anywhere else 'former' would be a no brainer, but comics.

 

[Guy Gardener]

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Buffalo_Milk_vs_Cow_Milk

You can milk anything with nipples.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXI21S4ZWJU[/yt]

 

[Guy Gardener]

As an aside, is anyone else perplexed as to what motive Jiaying could have for concealing her relationship with Skye at this point?

Luke meeting Yoda in the Degobasian Swaps.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I loved the ending when Gemma left a sandwich for Fitz. That hasn't happened since the first half of season one. It was a bit surprising that he got away with the toolbox. Sometimes the simplest tricks are the best.

I'm happy to see Skye's mother alive. I was hoping that would happen, but I didn't really think it would. I was surprised that Cal knew that she's alive, though. Gordon was not so mellow with Cal as he is when he's in public, so I've started to have some doubts about him.

Gonzalez is crazy. He keeps referring to people with powers as "things" and I'm convinced the answer lies in his time away from SHIELD. Bobbie seems increasingly unhappy with the setup, but Mack, unfortunately, doesn't-- he'd rather have been able to convince Fitz to join up. It was interesting that they let Fitz go, but it will be very strange if they don't have a tail on him.

It was great to see Deathlok again and I hope he sticks around, but I was not too happy to hear Coulson's intention to contact Ward.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Crazy or callous?

Dehumanization is not new.

It's how soldiers are trained to kill and how stock brokers are trained to broke.

It must be easy to dehumanize the inhuman and non human.

Doctor boy was also dehumanizing Skye and "his people" but in the other direction.

Post Human or Human Plus.

"We are superior" is a short hop to "we should rule this savage child race".

If someone thinks that they are a god, and they act like a god, you lock them the #### up.

If they also have the power of a god, sterner measures might be required.

Do we seriously not assume that some one "in power" is going to try and nuke God if the old man ever came down from upstairs?

"You can take my country away from me when you pry it from my cold dead fingers."

Wait?

Bush the younger thought that God talked to him, because he was a little nutso, so if the real god turned up, who was just different enough from his imaginary friend who Bush attributed to being god, George would assume that someone was trying to pull the wool over his presidential eyes and hornswoggle America off him.

George W, Bush couldn't not nuke God.

Hmmm.

I'm remembering an X-Men time travel story, when after the mutants won, and they'd built a paradise on Earth, 50 years later they had changed the dictionary. Mutants were then after "humans" and what had been thought of as human previously was some clever Orwell-Speak for subhuman.

 

[Skywalker]

It's easy for us to sympathize with Coulson and Skye because we've been following them throughout everything they've been through. Gonzales and his faction haven't had that luxury, so I don't blame them at all for seeing the potential destruction that Skye can cause and considering her to be a danger to everyone around her, even a potential threat that may need to be put down, if necessary. The fact that someone like her is so close to Coulson, who they believe may be unstable and possibly acting under the influence of aliens whose motives are unknown and potentially harmful to humanity, just makes the whole thing that much worse in their eyes. They're not evil, and their beliefs and methods are entirely understandable if you look at the situation from their perspective.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why do they still trust Mac?

The alien city turned him into a zombie.

 

[Reverend]

Why do they still trust Mac?

The alien city turned him into a zombie.

I imagine they are keeping a eye on him, but so far he's shown no lasting effects.

Coulson on the other hand obsessively carved Kree map fragments while Skye nearly pulverises her own arms into to a paste and started exploding trees in panic. Plus the fact that an Asgardian's initial reaction to her was to take her away lest she start breaking continents.

 

[The Old Mixer]

How much time passed between Gordon taking Cal (do we for sure where he is, considering his method of travel?) and then taking Skye to Inhuman Rivendell? I ask because it's entirely plausible to suggest Cal was reintroduced to Jiaying during that time (most likely where he was headed in the episode he was taken in when Gordon lead him out of the room at the end). That she may have explained what happened to her, their inhuman group and (partly) what their immediate plans were for Skye/Daisy.

Nothing in their interaction hinted at how long he knew Jiaying was alive and everything prior to it suggests he simply didn't. That he was not excited simply shows he was not surprised and had prior knowledge, not that he'd known for years. That she'd be warm with him, her (current or former*) husband and father to her child, shortly after reuniting with their baby girl for the first time since she'd been borne, is hardly telling. It's just human.

Not saying the "he knew, even with Whitehall" theory is wrong, but that there are other plausible reasons for his non-excitement at seeing her in this scene.

Anyone who's prone to speculation on these points might want to check out the interview linked in the post below. It provides some light background "spoilers" that clarify the history of Cal and Jiaying, as wel as J's motivations for the way that she's dealing with Skye.

Cal did indeed put her back together, according to Jeffrey Bell.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/agents-shield-chloe-bennet-mother-787182

 

[shivkala]

R-SHIELD?

C--SHIELD!

Settled.

See, the problem is the one we've been following isn't the one being called "real." It's kind of hard to say they're the "real" one, when given the set-up of the show and the endorsement of Fury, it's clear which one is going to win out. At best, we'll see a Coulson, May, possibly even Skye dominated council leading a combination of the two.

Well, the one that Captain America endorses should be called "Mighty SHIELD."

And the other one would be kind of on the defensive after that, so maybe they'd be "Deflector SHIELD."

I like this idea, though I wonder which one Rogers would endorse. I think he might like the democratic approach of Gonsalves' team. Remember, also, that to him, Coulson is little more than a fanboy who they rallied around. Assuming Coulson's resurrection is something Fury compartmentalized, I don't think Cap would like to find out he'd been brought to life and Fury kept it from him. I think it would cause him to mistrust Coulson's team.

http://www.trekbbs.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

 

[theenglish]

It's easy for us to sympathize with Coulson and Skye because we've been following them throughout everything they've been through. Gonzales and his faction haven't had that luxury, so I don't blame them at all for seeing the potential destruction that Skye can cause and considering her to be a danger to everyone around her, even a potential threat that may need to be put down, if necessary. The fact that someone like her is so close to Coulson, who they believe may be unstable and possibly acting under the influence of aliens whose motives are unknown and potentially harmful to humanity, just makes the whole thing that much worse in their eyes. They're not evil, and their beliefs and methods are entirely understandable if you look at the situation from their perspective.

I agree with you. Also, they don't know that Fury is alive. Not even Bobbi and Mack IIRC. Gonzalez disliked Fury anyway but he also doesn't know that Fury handed the keys/toolbox to Coulson following the fall of SHIELD. All they have is Coulson's word to go on.

As far as they are concerned, Coulson and his team just declared himself director after the fall.

 

[Christopher]

Just had a thought: Maybe in the April 28 episode, we'll get a surprise appearance by Nick Fury, who'll bring Coulson and Gonzales together and talk some sense into them and wrap all this up. And then at the end of the episode, he'll get a phone call, say "Stark and Banner did what? I'll be right there," and that will set up Age of Ultron's premiere three days later.

Or something like that. Hopefully it won't be quite so corny.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Well, the one that Captain America endorses should be called "Mighty SHIELD."

And the other one would be kind of on the defensive after that, so maybe they'd be "Deflector SHIELD."

I like this idea, though I wonder which one Rogers would endorse.
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The one less likely to be pro-registration in the upcoming Civil War.

I think he might like the democratic approach of Gonsalves' team. Remember, also, that to him, Coulson is little more than a fanboy who they rallied around. Assuming Coulson's resurrection is something Fury compartmentalized, I don't think Cap would like to find out he'd been brought to life and Fury kept it from him. I think it would cause him to mistrust Coulson's team.

On the other hand Coulson's team is less likely to try to arrest and/or kill him in Civil War.

It's easy for us to sympathize with Coulson and Skye because we've been following them throughout everything they've been through. Gonzales and his faction haven't had that luxury, so I don't blame them at all for seeing the potential destruction that Skye can cause and considering her to be a danger to everyone around her, even a potential threat that may need to be put down, if necessary. The fact that someone like her is so close to Coulson, who they believe may be unstable and possibly acting under the influence of aliens whose motives are unknown and potentially harmful to humanity, just makes the whole thing that much worse in their eyes. They're not evil, and their beliefs and methods are entirely understandable if you look at the situation from their perspective.

I agree with you. Also, they don't know that Fury is alive. Not even Bobbi and Mack IIRC. Gonzalez disliked Fury anyway but he also doesn't know that Fury handed the keys/toolbox to Coulson following the fall of SHIELD. All they have is Coulson's word to go on.

As far as they are concerned, Coulson and his team just declared himself director after the fall.

Sure if you ignore their unprovoked aggression, hypocrisy, fantastic racism, being more concerned with things Fury may have hidden that the actual HYDRA threat, inability to accept anything that doesn't make Coulson look like the next evil overlord making them incredibly biased, not to mention the arrogant presumption that everyone will turn on Coulson without any hard evidence to back up Team Gonzales's claims that he's up to something and that Team Coulson will totally get over have their base attacked an seized.

 

[shivkala]

The one less likely to be pro-registration in the upcoming Civil War.

Good point. Gonsalves' group, with his referring to Skye as a "thing," definitely would seem to be in favor of the registration. However, before all that, I think his group would still appeal more to him. Which, would further the drama when he ends up on the other side of the argument than them.

 

[Fist McStrongpunch]

Spinoff in the works.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/09/shield-spinoff

 

[Turtletrekker]

I hope this doesn't mean that more Agent Carter is out of the question.

Anyway, a show featuring Gonzales and crew going after alien threats (hopefully with a more enlightened attitude)? Agents of SWORD, perhaps?