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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

I'm not buying the Trip is dead thing. The cast was tweeting a little too much about the Trip's death; and wasn't there a rumor where B.J. Britt had a scene in Age of Ultron?

I remember that but they never specified if it was him doing stuff or if they were just going to show a picture of him in a list of fallen Shield agents.

There were supposedly pictures of him on the set. It really didn't look all that much like Britt to be honest. And when he wasn't a series regular for season 2, I knew Tripp's time on the show was limited. I'm also concerned for Mack and Bobbi too. Bobbi's great (and really hot) and her chemistry with Hunter is amazing. I hope I'm wrong but I have this feeling she'll be gone by the end of the season.

ETA: Here's the only link I could find showing this very blurry "Britt" sighting.
 
^Oh yeah. Didn't some speculate it was just the Falcon?

... I was so pissed and knew it would come back to bite them in the ass when Agent 33/ Evil May wasn't eliminated as she lie unconscious on the floor...

Even though she was currently evil, she was a brainwashed Shield agent. Maybe the plan was to rescue her later but I don't think they stated that May knew that so I understand your frustrations.
 
We just caught up on the last couple. I was so pissed and knew it would come back to bite them in the ass when Agent 33/ Evil May wasn't eliminated as she lie unconscious on the floor. To say I was mad is an understatement. That was a ridiculous rookie mistake made just to move the plot along. Didn't like it one bit.

Nah, SHIELD is the good guys. If Agent 33 had died during the fight, so be it. But unconscious on the floor? Good guys arrest her or leave her be. Even if there's a chance it will bite them in the ass later.
 
We just caught up on the last couple. I was so pissed and knew it would come back to bite them in the ass when Agent 33/ Evil May wasn't eliminated as she lie unconscious on the floor. To say I was mad is an understatement. That was a ridiculous rookie mistake made just to move the plot along. Didn't like it one bit.

Nah, SHIELD is the good guys. If Agent 33 had died during the fight, so be it. But unconscious on the floor? Good guys arrest her or leave her be. Even if there's a chance it will bite them in the ass later.

My favorite moment in the entire series was when the near death Garrett climbed into the bionic repair chair, was rebuilt as a super-super solider (cooler armor with extra lights) and makes his revenge speech, only to be blown to tiny shreds by Coulson with the 0-8-4.
How many times have have we seen that type of scene before, setting up another confrontation later down the road? I call that a 'FireFly' moment after Mal kicking one of the assassins into the idling engine after his revenge speech.
This show may not do everything perfect, but when they have a chance they do a magnificent left turn from what was a traditional trope.
 
Sorry to see Triplett go. At the end of last season, I couldn't stand him as I thought BJ Britt was easily the worst actor among the cast, but the character grew on me so far this season (helped in large measure by how terrible Lance is. I honestly can't decide if Nick Blood is just a shitty actor or if Lance is supposed to come across as so irritating. Anyway. Back to Triplett -- I don't know why you guys seem to think he might not be dead -- he clearly got turned to stone and started to disintigrate/crumble at the end of the show.

Wasn't sorry to see Ward shot but will miss Reed Diamond as Whitehall. I'm glad they got Mac back though. I've had a theory for a while that Simmons (and possibly Bobbie) will turn on everyone before the end of the season, revealing they've been brainwashed by Whitehall while undercover, so it'll be interesting to see if that actually happens or not.

I've never been much of a Skye fan, but it'll be interesting to see where she goes from here and what the implications of her being an InHuman will have for the rest of the team and the MCU.
 
I'm not buying the Trip is dead thing. The cast was tweeting a little too much about the Trip's death; and wasn't there a rumor where B.J. Britt had a scene in Age of Ultron?

The consensus had been for a long time that folks apparently can't tell the difference between BJ Britt and Anthony Mackie.
 
Nobody got a good look, so it's "black guy from a long distance." Hell, there's a good chance it was neither and just some black dude.
 
That is so Anthony Mackie. Although even Marvel can't tell them apart.

Tripp's death though had enough ambiguity that should the actor become available and want to come back I'm sure it could happen with relative ease. Heck, the main character of the show came back to life "just because". So far no one has died forever.
 
That is so Anthony Mackie. Although even Marvel can't tell them apart.

Tripp's death though had enough ambiguity that should the actor become available and want to come back I'm sure it could happen with relative ease. Heck, the main character of the show came back to life "just because". So far no one has died forever.

He disintegrated. So unless he got a power similar to Marvel's Sandman, he's pretty dead.
 
After my insane geek out over this week's episode... here's my non-comic-reading-friend's take on it: it was just a normal episode. why were you so excited about that? why didn't Sky turn into a cat like Raina did?

sigh. :p
 
^It was a very good episode, but I think the numerous articles I've seen calling it the best show on TV are a little hyperbolic. The show has improved compared to its early days immensely, but its still just a scrappy little Marvel show with a not huge budget or visual style doing its own thing with not much fanfare.

I still think they need to fire their DP out of a large cannon into the sun. For as good as this episode was, visually it looked like an episode of Stargate SG-1.
 
I still think the show in general is good-not-great, but I really geeked out at seeing all the theories confirmed; Inhumans, Mister Hyde, Daisy Johnson, Terrigenesis...
 
^ While Tripp's death may have not ultimately mattered in the scene (I would still argue he died thinking he was acting to save his friend), I think it matters for the plot. I get the impression Skye will feel responsibility over his death in a way that will inspire her to be more (sort of like a death of Uncle Ben type thing).
I suppose, but it's not like Skye was having any problem being heroic. I think Tripp's likeability, budding romance with Simmons, and his connection to the Howling Commandos was more valuable to the show.

So now Ward and Evil May are a team-- interesting, but if Skye was okay with shooting him, why didn't she make sure he was dead?

I don't think Skye is willing to kill except in immediate self-defense or the defense of others. She shot Ward knowing he'd survive, but be incapacitated and unable to overpower her. That was her only goal.
Possibly-- but she did shoot him in the chest, not the knees. :rommie:
 
So now Ward and Evil May are a team-- interesting, but if Skye was okay with shooting him, why didn't she make sure he was dead?

I don't think Skye is willing to kill except in immediate self-defense or the defense of others. She shot Ward knowing he'd survive, but be incapacitated and unable to overpower her. That was her only goal.

Possibly-- but she did shoot him in the chest, not the knees. :rommie:

Well, there are two possibilities then:

1. She intended to kill him and therefore shot him in the chest, but did not stick around to ensure he died because she had to move fast.

2. She intuited that Grant would have a bullet-proof vest (was that a vest?) and shot him knowing it would disable but not kill him.

ETA:

Sci said:
I see no reason why the Allies would have wanted or needed to keep Hydra a secret, nor why they would not have wanted a full airing of Reinhardt's crimes. I mean, is it really a threat to national security to say that he went around mutilating innocent people while looking for something that would give him superpowers?

The threat isn't the fact that he was looking for superpowers - the threat would be in revealing how close he came to finding some.

Ever hear of a guy named John Sutter? He operated a mill in California in the 1840s. When a worker came to him with gold flecks found in the river, he was terrified, and for good reason - the ensuing Gold Rush overran his business, wiping out his investment in the same, and he eventually died a poor man, a failure, despite having had a personal hand in one of history's greatest discoveries of wealth.

The Allies are John Sutter here - the longer they can keep the occult discredited, the less likely they are to have to deal with all sorts of enemy and rogue powers coming at them with magical weapons. If that means sweeping a few HYDRA types into a cellar without a trial...

That strikes me as a weak argument. If there was an entire division of the Third Reich devoted to locating and harnessing fantastical technologies, then it's pretty obvious that the secret is already out by the time World War II starts. The Soviets are necessarily going to have their own fantastical technologies acquisition agency, the Brits and the Americans seem to have combined theirs into the SSR and then SHIELD, the French (assuming they didn't combine with the SSR/SHIELD) are going to have their own, so are the Chinese, the Japanese, etc. The genie is already out of the bottle, at least as far as foreign governments go.

Now, we do know from early Agents of SHIELD episodes that, pre-dissolution, SHIELD seems to be a transnational agency whose authority in matters of the fantastical are regarded as superseding national authority (presumably by treaty in those countries that are signatories to whatever treaty it is that authorizes SHIELD). Hence, SHIELD apparently having the legal authority to seize the Hydra 0-8-4 from the Peruvian government (the Republic of Peru presumably being a signatory to the SHIELD treaty).

It strikes me that perhaps SHIELD's apparently transnational nature was the Allies' way of trying to mitigate against the danger of an international arms race for fantastical technology. If all--or most--of the nations of the world agree to give jurisdiction over fantastical technology to an international paramilitary organization that they all have a voice in running, that could presumably help stabilize things. And if they all agree to keep the existence of these fantastical threats a secret from the public, that mitigates against the possibility of rogue actors/terrorist groups, etc.

(I will concede that it is my suspicion that the Soviet Union, and, later, Russia, may never have agreed to become a signatory to the SHIELD treaty. I base this on the apparent hostility between SHIELD and the KGB during Black Widow's time as a KGB agent, and on SHIELD's willingness to undertake a convention military strike against pro-Russian separatists in South Ossetia in "The Hub.")

Meanwhile, there's no evidence that it would be necessary to keep the existence of Hydra, or its atrocities, a secret in the immediate post-war context. There's no reason to think that Reinhardt, or the rest of Hydra, had access to any sort of fantastical technologies other than the Diviner and the Tesseract-powered weapons we saw in Captain America: The First Avenger. Reinhardt could easily be prosecuted for any of his (no doubt numerous) "conventional" crimes against humanity, and if it was necessary to bring his Diviner murders into the open, the exact nature of the Diviner could be obfuscated on grounds of international security under the SHIELD treaty while still establishing for the purposes of the trial that it was capable of killing those who touched it. (And I again am not convinced that Diviner-related information would need to be declassified it were possible to simply try him for crimes against humanity that did not involve fantastical technologies.)

We just caught up on the last couple. I was so pissed and knew it would come back to bite them in the ass when Agent 33/ Evil May wasn't eliminated as she lie unconscious on the floor. To say I was mad is an understatement. That was a ridiculous rookie mistake made just to move the plot along. Didn't like it one bit.

Nah, SHIELD is the good guys. If Agent 33 had died during the fight, so be it. But unconscious on the floor? Good guys arrest her or leave her be. Even if there's a chance it will bite them in the ass later.

My favorite moment in the entire series was when the near death Garrett climbed into the bionic repair chair, was rebuilt as a super-super solider (cooler armor with extra lights) and makes his revenge speech, only to be blown to tiny shreds by Coulson with the 0-8-4.

How many times have have we seen that type of scene before, setting up another confrontation later down the road? I call that a 'FireFly' moment after Mal kicking one of the assassins into the idling engine after his revenge speech.

Well, I'd say Coulson's killing of Garret was different. Garret was literally armed and dangerous, and was openly rambling to himself about plans to violently attack those who opposed him. It's the equivalent of shooting a man holding a gun who is saying to himself, "I'm going to kill those people."

Whereas, the guy Mal killed in "The Train Job" was literally a helpless prisoner. Sure, he was threatening Mal and company, but he was tied up and quite helpless. Prisoner murder is very different from self-defense against an armed and dangerous opponent.
 
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Whereas, the guy Mal killed in "The Train Job" was literally a helpless prisoner. Sure, he was threatening Mal and company, but he was tied up and quite helpless. Prisoner murder is very different from self-defense against an armed and dangerous opponent.

Its not about SHIELD, but I always assumed Mal just intended to kick him off the ramp of Serenity, not murder the guy by kicking him into the intake of the engines. At least by his disgusted reaction.
 
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