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Agent Carter - Season 2

I hadn't thoughth of Sousa new girlfriend being a Black Widow, or some other kind of plant, but thinking about it now, it does seem likely.
It's not the same thing. Zero matter has already shown up in the first season of Agents of Shield. It's how whatshisname got his power to absorb energy.
I forgot about that. I know it is something from the comics, but I can't remember what it's comic book name is right now. Which episode from AoS was it in?
I the whole sucking things in made it seem a lot like the Monolith to me, but I guess the fact that Whitney was already back by the end of the episode does show that it must not send them as far off as the Monolith did.
 
I forgot about that. I know it is something from the comics, but I can't remember what it's comic book name is right now. Which episode from AoS was it in?

The Darkforce was seen in the first season AoS episode "The Only Light in the Darkness". The power was wielded by Marcus Daniels, known as "Blackout", and he had a thing for Coulson's cellist girlfriend played by Amy Acker.
 
Agent Carter didn't show up on On Demand for me until last night. Hopefully I'll get a chance to watch at least one of them today.

and it was cool to see the likes of Roy Thomas and Steve Engelhart being interviewed (even if the identifying captions were sometimes a bit hard to read).
That's cool. Englehart is my favorite comics writer of all time. And, of course, Marvel probably wouldn't even exist today, at least not as we know it, if not for Roy Thomas-- he's as important as The Man.

On the subject of Peggy at the club, I had some documentaries on Monday that included something of relevance. Sometime during the pre-WWII years (think it was the 20s), it was fashionable for the "downtown" crowd to go up into Harlem to enjoy the nightlife...so much that it resulted in Whites-only establishments being opened in Harlem!
Yeah, that was the Roaring 20s. What we think of as the Civil Rights Movement really began in the 20s, which was kind of a proto-60s. The Flappers of that era were much like the Women's Libbers of the 60s, and there was a lot of barrier-breaking in terms of culture and "race." The hard times of the Depression and the war years caused a lot of backsliding after that. Then in the 50s is when you started to see the beginnings of the types of organized protests that led to the widespread changes of the 60s and 70s. The world changed more in the 60s than at any other time in human history, but the roots go way back-- the NAACP, for example, was founded by a coalition of Blacks and Whites just around the turn of the last century. There have always been people fighting against the inertia of animal instinct, in every age. But it's always a case of two steps forward and one step back. Unfortunately, we're in a one-step-back phase now.
 
BTW, what kind of accent does Mrs. Jarvis have? I was thinking Irish for a while, but then she said something about being rescued from the Third Reich. My wife's bosses are German, but she didn't think the accent sounded German. Is that the actress' natural accent, or is she putting one on?
 
Speaking of everybody being all suspicious of Sousa's perfect girlfriend, what was up with that sad clown? I was just waiting for the sad clown to pull out a weapon and try to attack Sousa. Maybe we'll see little casting rejects like that every episode or something.

BTW, what kind of accent does Mrs. Jarvis have? I was thinking Irish for a while, but then she said something about being rescued from the Third Reich. My wife's bosses are German, but she didn't think the accent sounded German. Is that the actress' natural accent, or is she putting one on?
I seem to recall that Jarvis told Peggy the story of how he met her last season, but I don't recall the specific country he smuggled her out of.
 
Speaking of everybody being all suspicious of Sousa's perfect girlfriend, what was up with that sad clown? I was just waiting for the sad clown to pull out a weapon and try to attack Sousa. Maybe we'll see little casting rejects like that every episode or something.

I was thinking maybe it was an in-joke cameo by a famous clown, like how Quantum Leap would often have Sam meeting celebrities before they became famous. I thought maybe it was Emmett Kelly, but he was already famous well before 1947 and wouldn't have been trying out at a two-bit talent agency.

I seem to recall that Jarvis told Peggy the story of how he met her last season, but I don't recall the specific country he smuggled her out of.

She's Hungarian, so it must've been Hungaria. ;)

On an unrelated subject, what's for lunch? I'm Hungary.
 
Well, I got to see the first one. Hopefully I'll get to see the second one today. Very nice, just as good as last year. They really do their research to make it sound contemporary. "More like Fatty Arbuckle." :rommie: The only possible slip I noticed was the use of the term "person of interest." I think that's of more recent vintage.

I like the Wilkes character and how he throws Carter out of her comfort zone. One of the few quibbles I had with the first season was Carter's lack of humor and her snobby attitude toward sex, which is inconsistent with a woman of her caliber and experience. Hopefully we'll get to see her loosen up a bit this year.

Interesting that Sousa got married so quickly after leaving New York. Something smells fishy there, especially since his wife reminds me of Dottie before Dottie came out of the closet. And Thompson is still a jackass, but I really don't trust the FBI guy. Something is up there, too. Even if he had a compelling reason for taking custody of Dottie, why would he burst in and humiliate Thompson like that. I'm betting he's on the take and will arrange for Dottie to escape (not that she'll need much help).

I really liked all the references to Dooley. The writers on this show really respect their characters.
 
I was trying to figure out if the zero-matter was the same stuff the monolith in SHIELD was.... I have to pay more attention.

I was also wondering about "mixed" couples in 1947 - I even remember it still being a subject of serious prejudice in the 70s ("What about the children??" was always the bigots' whine, meaning those poor "half-breeds" will be shunned by society :rolleyes:)*. Maybe Hollywood was more liberal then the rest of the country? The Brits have always seemed more relaxed about that, so I wasn't surprised that Peggy returned the attraction.

*And I'm deeply grateful for such relationships that gave us such lovely and talented (and un-shunned) people as Mariah Carey and Halle Berry!
After seeing a similar situation in a New York nightclub in season one I thought Marvel was just plowing forward from their past position. The only notice of race, in a world were they must have a diverse, cast was Dum Dum Dugan noticing another POW to be Howling Commando Jim Morita was Japanese and later a crack made by Samuel L Jackson's Nick Fury about what he thought was going to be a driving while black stop in The Winter Soldier. I was shocked when the detective made the comment about "the janitor".

This episode and probably the Agent Carter season is retconning Marvel's ignoring race in Captain America The First Avenger and Agent Carter's first season away since they want to tell a racial story. Not only were the Howling Commandos integrated but so was the SSR training camp, the Army forward base in Italy and the audiences at the Captain America war bond tour stops. And in post war New York a Black character played by Andre Royo was thought to be having sex with an undercover Peggy with no explanation that the colored folk had a safe space in his club., Later we see an Asian SSR agent in Europe and a black NYPD officer being on general patrol with no one questioning their authority.
 
Yeah, I was pleased to see the much-maligned Reb Brown Captain America from the '70s TV movies. Those were actually my earliest exposure to the character (well, maybe second-earliest after the barely-animated '60s cartoons they also talked about, though I'm not sure when I first saw those), and I'm still kind of nostalgic for them. If nothing else, they had a nifty Mike Post-Pete Carpenter theme tune.

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I remember being so disappointed with that Captain America back in the day. I had so much hope they would get in right after seeing the Bill Bixby Lou Ferrigno Incredible Hulk TV show, whose only misstep was renaming Bruce as David
 
This episode and probably the Agent Carter season is retconning Marvel's ignoring race in Captain America The First Avenger and Agent Carter's first season away since they want to tell a racial story. Not only were the Howling Commandos integrated but so was the SSR training camp, the Army forward base in Italy and the audiences at the Captain America war bond tour stops. And in post war New York a Black character played by Andre Royo was thought to be having sex with an undercover Peggy with no explanation that the colored folk had a safe space in his club., Later we see an Asian SSR agent in Europe and a black NYPD officer being on general patrol with no one questioning their authority.

Well, it's not like everyone was uniformly racist at the time. As I said, during WWII there was a trend toward greater inclusion and cooperation, so there was more acceptance and opportunity in the mid- to late '40s, before the backlash really set in and old racial and gender prejudices reasserted themselves even more strongly. And there were always people who were accepting of diversity, who protested the institutional racism of their time -- for instance, Jack Benny, who refused to see his radio show's black character Rochester written as a racial stereotype or made the butt of jokes (instead he let himself be the butt of Rochester's jokes), who actually cast black actor Eddie Anderson in the role (quite rare), and who, when the show's cast was on tour, refused to stay in hotels that wouldn't allow Anderson to stay as well.


I remember being so disappointed with that Captain America back in the day. I had so much hope they would get in right after seeing the Bill Bixby Lou Ferrigno Incredible Hulk TV show, whose only misstep was renaming Bruce as David

While I love the Bixby Hulk, it's about as inauthentic to the comics as you can get. Not only is Banner's name changed, but there's no gamma bomb origin, no Rick Jones, no Thunderbolt or Betty Ross, no Hulkbusters, no Leader or Abomination, and the Hulk can't even speak, so there's no "Hulk smash!" or "Hulk is strongest there is!" or "Puny humans!" Developer Kenneth Johnson didn't like the comics at all and tried to stay as far away from them as possible, instead looking to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Les Miserables for inspiration. He even wanted the Hulk to be red (for rage) because he thought green was silly, but that was the one thing that Stan Lee put his foot down about keeping. (A Red Hulk? Whoever heard of such a thing?)

At least the Captain America movies establish that their Steve Rogers is the son of the Steve Rogers who was the original Captain America during WWII, although I think they implied that the original Cap wasn't a costumed hero. Virtually none of the '70s live-action superhero adaptations bothered to be at all close to the source. Spider-Man kept only Peter, Jameson, and the Bugle, and Aunt May and Robbie Robertson in the pilot movie only; there was no Uncle Ben, no motivating tragedy, virtually none of the familiar supporting cast and none of the supervillains, and Jameson was made more avuncular and sympathetic. Wonder Woman was pretty authentic to the '40s comics in its first season, but in its latter two seasons it was retooled into a Bionic Woman knockoff that had little connection to the source. Probably the most authentic one was the Doctor Strange pilot movie, which I've never actually seen; I'm mainly taking Greg Cox's word on that.
 
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