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Agent Carter - Season 2

How close do we think racism is in the MCU is compared to the real world? The Captain America Movie showed a desegregated Army, Last nights episode shows casual racism alive and well, but also told us that Peggy at the nightclub would go unnoticed.
 
How close do we think racism is in the MCU is compared to the real world? The Captain America Movie showed a desegregated Army, Last nights episode shows casual racism alive and well, but also told us that Peggy at the nightclub would go unnoticed.

From what I can find out, many black-owned clubs were open to patrons of all races, and were often considered disreputable by proper white society because of the interracial "mingling" that went on there. They were known as "black and tan" clubs in some regions, and were places where people went to experiment with lots of disreputable behaviors, including interracial and homosexual liaisons. (They also probably played a role in popularizing jazz and blues among white audiences.) So many people would've considered it scandalous for Peggy to go there, but the people actually there in the club wouldn't have been bothered.
 
This was a great start to the season.
I like the tie into AoS with the Hydra bad-guys, I wasn't expecting that.
Whitney Frost seems like she should be a good villain. I wonder if the bit at the end of the second episode is going to lead her to wearing her character's tradition mask at some point?
I really like the new LA setting, it gives them a chance to get out and about more.
I'm hoping there is some kind of a connection between The Monolith from AoS and Element Zero, because they seem pretty similar and it would be pretty repetitive to give us two similar substances so close together without there being some kind of connection between them.
I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Wilkes, I liked him. The fact that Whitney is still around makes me think he might be too. I do agree there did seem to be too little racism against him though.
I really like Ana Jarvis, she's a fun character.
It looks like the relationship between Peggy and Jarvis will be a highlight once again. I'm glad they don't appear to be having Ana getting jealous of them, I was really afraid they were going to go in direction when they introduced her.
 
Also this was in the wake of WWII, when prejudices eroded somewhat in the light of the "We're all in this together" sentiment, so women and minorities had more opportunities.

There was a black fellow here at work many years ago who talked about his Army experience in the Korean war. We asked him if he had to deal with any racism in combat. He said, and I quote, "No, there weren't any of that boogedy-joo. We were ALL getting shot at." :)
 
Whitney Frost seems like she should be a good villain. I wonder if the bit at the end of the second episode is going to lead her to wearing her character's tradition mask at some point?

I've read that the mask won't appear, but that there will be a "nod" to it at some point.
 
Good 2 episodes, good characters introduced. I certainly wasn't expecting to like Mrs Jarvis as much as I did, but she's nearly as entertaining as her husband. I hope we get a good healthy dose of her throughout the season.

Sousa's girlfriend seemed like she'd make a perfect wife. Is he going to pick Peggy and her life of adventure over her?

Since we know Whitney survived, it would be a huge shocker if Dr Wilkes doesn't show up again.

I kind of liked the conversation between Sousa and Rose (I think that's her name) when she was telling him to talk to Peggy about his girlfriend. That was very Sousa-like.

I'd like to see Agent Thompson helping Peggy from the other coast as this season progresses, perhaps as a parallel investigation, but I have a feeling we won't see much of him.
 
Sousa's girlfriend seemed like she'd make a perfect wife.

I find that ironic, given the rather devious wife the actress plays on Into the Badlands.


I'd like to see Agent Thompson helping Peggy from the other coast as this season progresses, perhaps as a parallel investigation, but I have a feeling we won't see much of him.

He's still billed as a regular, and the stuff with him and Kurtwood Smith seems like it'll play a role throughout the season. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Smith's character turned out to be part of the evil secret society.
 
Is this the right place to talk about the Captain America special they aired last night? It was a decent overview, I guess, but some inaccuracies bothered me. It was implied that the original wartime comics showed Cap and Bucky fighting in Europe, but that was the '60s retcon. In the original comics, as with most wartime superheroes, Cap and Bucky were stationed stateside and battled spies, saboteurs, and fifth columnists on American soil. Also, they mentioned Peggy Carter in the WWII-era segment, but she wasn't created until 1966, when she was retconned into Cap's wartime past. She wasn't even given a first name until the '70s. And all the comics panels they showed of Peggy seemed to be from the comics adaptation of Captain America: The First Avenger.

It also implied that the Steve Rogers backstory used in the films, of the young man who didn't like bullies, was the same one Joe Simon and Jack Kirby used -- but Steve Rogers had no backstory in the original comics. He was introduced as a nameless "frail young man" just one panel before he was injected with the super-soldier serum, and his name wasn't revealed as Steve Rogers until the end of his debut story, after he was already established as Cap. I don't think his background was really fleshed out until at least the '70s.

Also, they implied that Marvel's special 9/11 tribute issue was a Captain America comic, but it was actually Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 2 #36, by J. Michael Straczynski and John Romita, Jr.

They also implied that the Falcon could always fly, right from his conception, but he actually didn't get his wings until a few years AFTER he was introduced.

Still, they had to get through 75 years of comics history in less than 50 minutes so I guess a few short-cuts were inevitable. I was impressed that they acknowledged the previous CAPTAIN AMERICA movies and serial, and it was cool to see the likes of Roy Thomas and Steve Engelhart being interviewed (even if the identifying captions were sometimes a bit hard to read).
 
I was impressed that they acknowledged the previous CAPTAIN AMERICA movies and serial...

Yeah, I was pleased to see the much-maligned Reb Brown Captain America from the '70s TV movies. Those were actually my earliest exposure to the character (well, maybe second-earliest after the barely-animated '60s cartoons they also talked about, though I'm not sure when I first saw those), and I'm still kind of nostalgic for them. If nothing else, they had a nifty Mike Post-Pete Carpenter theme tune.

And yeah, the captions were hard to read both because they were so brief and because the typeface was so small.

Meanwhile, I'm getting sick of a stylistic convention that both the Marvel and DC movie specials last night used -- the digital manipulation of comic-book panels to pop out portions of them and make them move across the frame. They never just show the artwork anymore, they have to faux-animate it. It's kind of obnoxious.
 
I'm hoping there is some kind of a connection between The Monolith from AoS and Element Zero, because they seem pretty similar and it would be pretty repetitive to give us two similar substances so close together without there being some kind of connection between them.
It's not the same thing. Zero matter has already shown up in the first season of Agents of Shield. It's how whatshisname got his power to absorb energy.
 
I find that ironic, given the rather devious wife the actress plays on Into the Badlands.
She was actually so perfect that I had to wonder if maybe she was a plant. Someone might be trying to keep an eye on the west coast office of the SSR.
 
And can we talk about Jack's inept attempt at interrogating Dottie? He actually brought in a literal carrot and stick. That's just sad. And of course his brutal approach to interrogation would have no impact on Dottie. As Peggy understood, she was raised and conditioned with pain and torture. That's what made her who she is. She wouldn't fear it.
 
I was yelling at the screen to Sousa that his girlfriend was obviously a Black Widow...
I wasn't totally convinced until the "bearclaw scene" where she is strategically waiting for him on the porch of his house first thing in the morning. She is too perfect, the way Dottie was a too perfect best friend to Peggy in season one. She isn't placed in the story so that Sousa can have a perfect girlfriend. She is placed there to put Sousa in peril and show regret that Peggy had been the obvious choice that he missed out on.
 
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One observation: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Captain America was never mentioned once on the AGENT CARTER premiere.

Guess she really is moving on with her life . . ..
 
I was yelling at the screen to Sousa that his girlfriend was obviously a Black Widow...
I wasn't totally convinced until the "bearclaw scene" where she is strategically waiting for him on the porch of his house first thing in the morning. She is too perfect, the way Dottie was a too perfect best friend to Peggy in season one. She isn't placed in the story so that Sousa can have a perfect girlfriend. She is placed there to put Sousa in peril and show regret that Peggy had been the obvious choice that he missed out on.
I agree, that's a definite possibility. :techman:

One observation: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Captain America was never mentioned once on the AGENT CARTER premiere.

Guess she really is moving on with her life . . ..
I noticed the same thing.
 
One observation: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Captain America was never mentioned once on the AGENT CARTER premiere.

Guess she really is moving on with her life . . ..

I think you're right. Peggy's now recognized within the SSR as a force to be reckoned with in her own right -- no more "Captain America's girlfriend."
 
Nevertheless, I hope they find time to give us another listen to the radio show....

On the subject of Peggy at the club, I had some documentaries on Monday that included something of relevance. Sometime during the pre-WWII years (think it was the 20s), it was fashionable for the "downtown" crowd to go up into Harlem to enjoy the nightlife...so much that it resulted in Whites-only establishments being opened in Harlem!

And can we talk about Jack's inept attempt at interrogating Dottie? He actually brought in a literal carrot and stick. That's just sad.
I agree that his interrogation was weak, but IIRC, bringing in a literal carrot and stick was a callback to an interrogation scene in the previous season.

I was yelling at the screen to Sousa that his girlfriend was obviously a Black Widow...
I wasn't totally convinced until the "bearclaw scene" where she is strategically waiting for him on the porch of his house first thing in the morning. She is too perfect, the way Dottie was a too perfect best friend to Peggy in season one.
I was getting the same vibe myself....
 
Sousa's girlfriend seemed like she'd make a perfect wife....

I thought the same thing and I fear she has a giant bulls-eye on her. I don't think she will make it all ten episodes.

I hope Dr. Wilkes isn't gone for good. For a moment I was hoping he was Bill Foster, but, maybe he would be too big of a character to use on this show?
 
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